SDS100/SDS200: Odd Behavior on Simulcast

afchev

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I've begun to observe odd behavior involving both the 100 and 200.

I mostly monitor 800MHz Simulcast on a major system in my city. Both units have faithfully ticked away for over a year of everyday scanning without a single issue. Both radios have gone neck and neck with a work issued Motorola radio programmed to the same system without missing a single transmission. Because of such good operation, I've avoided all other sites in the area and only have the units set to scan simulcast only.

Recently, I've observed that the unit(s) will not "hear" any Talkgroups while monitoring the simulcast site, despite perfect RSSI reports and the "data" icon popping up, and I know there is traffic because I'm getting it through several different radios, some on the exact same antenna. When I switch to another non-simulcast site on the same system, the scanner resumes its normal operation and traffic comes through as normal. When I switch back to simulcast, the traffic disappears again.

This is only observed on the aforementioned system. I do not have the same issue while monitoring other simulcast sites on two major neighboring systems in my area.

Sometimes this is resolved by switching to another favorites list, and switching back. Sometimes turning the unit on and off works also. Sometimes after a while the radio starts working by itself again. This sometimes fixes the problem, however its annoying and worrisome in the sense that perhaps the radios are failing internally in some way. More worrisome is I can't find a way to replicate the fix as it seems to be different each time.

I've observed this behavior first on my SDS100, and now several weeks later the SDS200 has begun doing the same thing.

I've observed this behavior commonly starts when:
1: I've disconnected the scanner from a computer after making changes to my favorites list or database.
2: I've completed a "trunking discovery" and have resumed normal scanning.

After resolving the issue, the problem does not seem to return until the above actions are performed again.

Recently, I've begun to let the SDS200 run for extended periods of time while doing a trunking discovery when I'm away from home, which is around the same time I started observing this behavior. That is the only major change in usage this scanner has seen since I bought it. I am careful to download and delete the discovery off the scanner after I complete it to avoid running up the SD cards data. This activity shouldn't affect the SDS100 however because that scanner is only on when I'm out and about and I don't use it to do a trunking discovery.

Both radios have gone through quite a few upload and download cycles in the last few months as I tweak and improve my favorites lists.

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Sorry for my post being long winded; I wanted to accurately paint the picture of the problem for you guys out there.

Are any other users aware of this issue? Some sort of data corruption working its way in maybe? Any fixes?
 

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Could be there are no radios with the TG's you monitor affiliated with the site you monitor at the time you hear nothing.
 

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Is this a Motorola P25 system? If so you may be getting stuck on an IV&D channel, which Uniden interprets as a control channel. If you have all the site frequencies entered I would try just the known CC's and put the one that is usually the CC as the first one. I had to do that and I haven't had my 100/200 lockup on an IV&D channel since.
 

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I've begun to observe odd behavior involving both the 100 and 200.

I mostly monitor 800MHz Simulcast on a major system in my city. Both units have faithfully ticked away for over a year of everyday scanning without a single issue. Both radios have gone neck and neck with a work issued Motorola radio programmed to the same system without missing a single transmission. Because of such good operation, I've avoided all other sites in the area and only have the units set to scan simulcast only.

Recently, I've observed that the unit(s) will not "hear" any Talkgroups while monitoring the simulcast site, despite perfect RSSI reports and the "data" icon popping up, and I know there is traffic because I'm getting it through several different radios, some on the exact same antenna. When I switch to another non-simulcast site on the same system, the scanner resumes its normal operation and traffic comes through as normal. When I switch back to simulcast, the traffic disappears again.

This is only observed on the aforementioned system. I do not have the same issue while monitoring other simulcast sites on two major neighboring systems in my area.

Sometimes this is resolved by switching to another favorites list, and switching back. Sometimes turning the unit on and off works also. Sometimes after a while the radio starts working by itself again. This sometimes fixes the problem, however its annoying and worrisome in the sense that perhaps the radios are failing internally in some way. More worrisome is I can't find a way to replicate the fix as it seems to be different each time.

I've observed this behavior first on my SDS100, and now several weeks later the SDS200 has begun doing the same thing.

I've observed this behavior commonly starts when:
1: I've disconnected the scanner from a computer after making changes to my favorites list or database.
2: I've completed a "trunking discovery" and have resumed normal scanning.

After resolving the issue, the problem does not seem to return until the above actions are performed again.

Recently, I've begun to let the SDS200 run for extended periods of time while doing a trunking discovery when I'm away from home, which is around the same time I started observing this behavior. That is the only major change in usage this scanner has seen since I bought it. I am careful to download and delete the discovery off the scanner after I complete it to avoid running up the SD cards data. This activity shouldn't affect the SDS100 however because that scanner is only on when I'm out and about and I don't use it to do a trunking discovery.

Both radios have gone through quite a few upload and download cycles in the last few months as I tweak and improve my favorites lists.

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Sorry for my post being long winded; I wanted to accurately paint the picture of the problem for you guys out there.

Are any other users aware of this issue? Some sort of data corruption working its way in maybe? Any fixes?
Just a thought even though you said it clears up by turning the off and back on. Do you have any filters set different between the favorites lists?
 

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I appreciate the responses. The issue is that this is new for the units. I've never encountered these issues in the year or so that I've had these radios. I haven't changed any settings, and haven't changed any frequencies or site information. I've got an excuse to upgrade the SD cards now so I am going to try that and report back.
 

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I appreciate the responses. The issue is that this is new for the units. I've never encountered these issues in the year or so that I've had these radios. I haven't changed any settings, and haven't changed any frequencies or site information. I've got an excuse to upgrade the SD cards now so I am going to try that and report back.
I would try my suggestion above.
 

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I'm not too tech savvy when it comes to this stuff and I've attached a screenshot below. Which of these frequencies would you recommend I subtract?
I would try just the known CC's and put the one that is usually the CC as the first one

The frequencies in red are the control channels. I would start by deleting all of the frequencies in black - and leave the 4 control channels in red in your programming.
 

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I appreciate the responses. The issue is that this is new for the units. I've never encountered these issues in the year or so that I've had these radios. I haven't changed any settings, and haven't changed any frequencies or site information. I've got an excuse to upgrade the SD cards now so I am going to try that and report back.
Why have you decided the SD cards need to be replaced?
 

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Why have you decided the SD cards need to be replaced?
Because the only change that these radios have seen around the same time the problem started arising was prolonged usage and very frequent upload download cycles. -

On the SDS200 specifically, I set up a favorites list to where I deleted known TG's so that the radio would "discover" them during a trunking discovery, and record/log the audio and Unit ID's. Sort of a poor mans Proscan setup. This radio is frequently on for 24 hours a day while I'm away from home. Afterwards I'd download the discovery to my computer and set it back to normal scan, where the problem would start. So I am speculating that maybe the frequent write and download cycles is introducing some wear and tear on the stock SD card.

Also This thread vaguely describes my issue and there is talk about the SD cards seeing some issues. SDS200: Help...strange new issue - analog signals only
 

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The frequencies in red are the control channels. I would start by deleting all of the frequencies in black - and leave the 4 control channels in red in your programming.
Copy that, I will try that and report back. As it stands now I've let the radio sit for maybe an hour on the site and it hasn't resolved itself, while another radio is "hearing" the site just fine. I'll see if the changes make any difference.
 

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Copy that, I will try that and report back. As it stands now I've let the radio sit for maybe an hour on the site and it hasn't resolved itself, while another radio is "hearing" the site just fine. I'll see if the changes make any difference.
Can you tell what frequency the radio that "hasn't resolved itself" is monitoring for the control channel? What frequency is the other radio using as the control channel?
 

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I tried the aforementioned fix and the radio started scanning Simulcast without problems on start-up. Question is, will I be missing traffic now that I've deleted some frequencies off the site?
 

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I tried the aforementioned fix and the radio started scanning Simulcast without problems on start-up. Question is, will I be missing traffic now that I've deleted some frequencies off the site?
No - you will not miss traffic by deleting the voice/data channels. As long as it is finding the control channel, you are good to go.
 

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Can you tell what frequency the radio that "hasn't resolved itself" is monitoring for the control channel? What frequency is the other radio using as the control channel?
Maybe not fair to put these radios up against one that is programmed specifically for this system, but the other radio is a work issued APX6000 that doesn't allow me to see what frequency it's listening to.
 

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And I guess do to my "need to know," any ideas why this problem suddenly showed itself after a year of scanning the same system with no issue? Maybe a change or update in the actual system?
 

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And I guess do to my "need to know," any ideas why this problem suddenly showed itself after a year of scanning the same system with no issue? Maybe a change or update in the actual system?
Maybe they made IV&D available to more frequencies or they didn't use IV&D before. And that's assuming this was even the cause, but it was positively the cause for me having the exact same issue.
 
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