Official PRO-2096 Discussion Thread
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No it won't. Only the older ones that don't offer the ability to put a custom table in them. All the current scanners should be able to handle it with setting up the table(s) as needed. Of course if that is the case, everyone will have to learn how the radio works and can't just plug in frequencies anymore. :lol:Voyager said:
You mean I'll have to RTFM and actually know my scanner? God forbid. :roll:
loumaag said:
Not really. Look at the table. It's NOT CONTINUOUS. It would require multiple tables.
0-38 is one table.
39 is BY ITSELF
40-76 is another table
77 is by itself
78-114
115
116-152
153
154-230
231-817
That's 10 tables! How many does YOUR scanner support?
Yes, I suppose there is the old way (non-control channel) programming. You will again have to program in EVERY frequency in the system.
Joe M.
Voyager said:
I suppose you COULD Get away without the MA channels (the ones by themselves), but that still leaves 6 tables. Maybe you will get lucky and your local system won't need one or more. The PRO-96 supports up to 5 tables. How many does the BC296D support?
To top this all, the BC246T doesn't appeat to support 800 MHz tables!
Joe M.
Six tables like every one else's 96 or 2096. I didn't take a good look at the list before posting my response the first time, but looking at and figuring out the band plan I find only 6 tables are needed on the whole band plan. As the 5 NASPAC-MA channels are not part of any trunking makeup hence can be ignored. Right now that is a Motorola preliminary doc. I would like to wait for the FCC's channel doc to appear before wringing my hands too much.Voyager said:
On another note, in regard to putting all the frequencies in, that won't work on a 96 or 2096 (or on a 95 or 93 either), as they are only control channel scanners. They make no use of, and ignore, any channel that is not carrying a Moto (or APCO-25) CC data stream. I am not even sure it would work on the Uniden models, for although you can put all the frequencies in and tell the radio that you are not in CC mode, they still verify the channel number against the frequency after looking it up in the bank.
If that band plan holds, here are the 6 tables using the Motorola of channel 1 being channel 1 and not 0 as you started it:
Code:
BASE OFFSET STEP
851.03750 002 12.5k
851.53750 041 12.5k
852.03750 078 12.5k
852.53750 116 12.5k
853.03750 154 12.5k
854.01250 231 25.0kloumaag said:
0 vs 1... close. Kinda like 40 vs 41 :wink:
BASE OFFSET STEP
851.03750 002 12.5k
851.53750 040 12.5k <-- correction
852.03750 078 12.5k
852.53750 116 12.5k
853.03750 154 12.5k
854.01250 231 25.0k
Yes, I suggested the 6 tables above. I thought there were only 5 tables in the PRO-(20)96 rather than 6. I forgot they start at 0. THAT must have been where the extra '0' came from in my list. :wink:
Still, The Unidens are a different story, as I mentioned above.
And it still does nothing for my Maxtracs feeding Trunker.
Joe M.
Correct!Voyager said:
I can only blame my mental state at the time; you know, almost 1:00AM, post Academy Awards syndrome.
It depends on what Uniden does. Whereas, based on the corrected table above, a Pro-96/2096 can be made to track the re-banded TRS's as they happen, a process that probably will take several years; the Unidens are only capable of accepting a maximum of 3 settings in a table. That would be a problem. In addition, I am not sure (becuase I haven't tried it) that you can set a table on 800MHz frequencies in a Uniden.jmm346 said:
In any case, the impact will be large enough and the consumer's investment at this point is large enough that the manufacturer's will have to deal with the situation one way or another IMHO.
I would think that Uniden could come up with a firmware update to change the bandplan, at least with the newest scanners (BC250D and up).
Not sure if GRE could do it through firmware.
Now is the time to start "buggin" the manufacturers about this re-banding and also about (I hate to bring this one up :wink: ), they need to start paying attention to the 700MHz band or at least plan for the not-so-distant future since there's already a system or two using those too....
P.S. I know the up coming BCD396T might support the 700MHz band but we won't know until it's in our hands.
Not sure if GRE could do it through firmware.
Now is the time to start "buggin" the manufacturers about this re-banding and also about (I hate to bring this one up :wink: ), they need to start paying attention to the 700MHz band or at least plan for the not-so-distant future since there's already a system or two using those too....
P.S. I know the up coming BCD396T might support the 700MHz band but we won't know until it's in our hands.
Here's an update PDF as of 2/17/2005:
http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/800rebanding/docs/Rebanding_Update_Feb_17_2005.pdf
Here's a link to a related thread:
http://www.radioreference.com/modul...days=0&postorder=asc&highlight=npspac
EricCottrel thinks that Trunker and Scanners will still work on regular systems but will need some sort of firmware update for "Splinter" type systems.
http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/800rebanding/docs/Rebanding_Update_Feb_17_2005.pdf
Here's a link to a related thread:
http://www.radioreference.com/modul...days=0&postorder=asc&highlight=npspac
EricCottrel thinks that Trunker and Scanners will still work on regular systems but will need some sort of firmware update for "Splinter" type systems.
Here's another point of view on this re-banding issue (which by now could be in it's own thread):
Maybe most systems and scanners will continue to work fine as they are, because according to page 8 of this document:
<http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/800rebanding/docs/Rebanding_Impact--All_Categories.pdf>
Quote: "Systems with channels from 854.0125 to 860.9875 only, NO IMPACT at this time"
So the way I interpret that is those systems in that range (and that's a lot of them) will not have to make any changes therefore the bandplan on their system radios AND the scanners should continue to work as currently.
I also understand from the document above and others that the most affected systems (and ones that will need to have something changed) are systems with frequencies on the following ranges:
851.0125 to 853.9875
and
866.0125 to 868.9875
Maybe most systems and scanners will continue to work fine as they are, because according to page 8 of this document:
<http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/800rebanding/docs/Rebanding_Impact--All_Categories.pdf>
Quote: "Systems with channels from 854.0125 to 860.9875 only, NO IMPACT at this time"
So the way I interpret that is those systems in that range (and that's a lot of them) will not have to make any changes therefore the bandplan on their system radios AND the scanners should continue to work as currently.
I also understand from the document above and others that the most affected systems (and ones that will need to have something changed) are systems with frequencies on the following ranges:
851.0125 to 853.9875
and
866.0125 to 868.9875
Eng74
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Maybe I didn't state it clearly. When you are transfering the V-folders from a 96 to a 2096 it turns off the 2096 backlight. It comes back on when it is done. It was weird to me because I have done a regular clone befoe and the backlight for the 2096 was on the whole time.bergg said:
Halfpint
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kikito said:
Great!
NOT!
So it looks like those of here in Colorado are going to be messing around with `custom' tables or squawking at RS/GRE and `Uniheave'!? I guess that this means that I'll not be spending the $1K+ I was originally planning at RS for pair of 2096s then. Oh, well... Hopefully by the time this all gets figured out and they eventually come out with newer radios they'll have this and WYOLink style trunking working in them? (I figure that the way things are going I'll have managed to have gotten outa "The People's Republic of Colorado" and back home in Wyo by that time. {GRIM GRIN!} The only worry is will we be able to escape from Colo with more than just the shirts on our backs when we *do* manage to escape and I'll be able to afford the newer radios!)
director373
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How about if we all petition the FCC to have Nextel also bear any costs associated with retuning or retooling of our scanners so that they continue to work as per normal, after the rebanding project. After all, these radios are FCC type accepted, so it was the FCC that approved them for general use and sale to the public for reception of these frequency bands. I would be willing to put forth such efforts to advance our (very legitimate) request. Anyone else interested in such an endeavor?
mikey60
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Halfpint said:
Not on the Colorado state system. 800Mhz systems using 9600bps control channels won't be affected by the rebanding as far as our scanners working. The standard identifier table for the 9600bps control channels are 6.25khz steps, starting at 851.00625Mhz.
On the WyoLink, as long as the system doesn't require more than 6 identifier tables to operate, the Pro96/2096 should be able to track it just fine. It'll take some data collection and analysis to get the tables correct, but you should be able to track it pretty well. Wyolink should be similar in operation to the Alaska system, which is also VHF 9600bps.
The ones that we need to be concerned about as scanner owners are the 3600bps Motorola systems that are operating in the affected frequency ranges. From what I'm reading there won't be too many of those around me by the time the rebanding is completed anyway.
Mike
I received my PRO-2096 late this afternoon. Rather than buy an early scanner and risk problems, I waited until now and also took advantage of the lower price ($450). Prior to ordering I visited a RadioShack store. The store employee tried to sell me the display unit for list price. There was no way I would pay anywhere near that amount for a display unit, which did not appeal to me anyway. I walked out and ordered my PRO-2096 from Scanner Master.
Someone mentioned a comparison with the PRO-2053. That was always my favorite RadioShack model. I too wish the PRO-2096 had a larger display, but the one it has is quite acceptable. Also, the audio on the PRO-2053 is excellent, whereas on the PRO-2096 I would rate it as very good-to-excellent. This is still way better than the thin audio on Uniden scanners. No offense to Uniden owners, by the way. I really like the advanced features of the Uniden line. I just wish Uniden would design a scanner with decent audio and redesign the display like the BC-780XLT.
In summary, if you are thinking about getting a PRO-2096, there has not been a better time than now. The supply is plentiful and the price has been reduced through popular mail order vendors.
Someone mentioned a comparison with the PRO-2053. That was always my favorite RadioShack model. I too wish the PRO-2096 had a larger display, but the one it has is quite acceptable. Also, the audio on the PRO-2053 is excellent, whereas on the PRO-2096 I would rate it as very good-to-excellent. This is still way better than the thin audio on Uniden scanners. No offense to Uniden owners, by the way. I really like the advanced features of the Uniden line. I just wish Uniden would design a scanner with decent audio and redesign the display like the BC-780XLT.
In summary, if you are thinking about getting a PRO-2096, there has not been a better time than now. The supply is plentiful and the price has been reduced through popular mail order vendors.
scannerhead3
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i hear that this scanner can be mounted in a car. i was wondering would i be able to mount in a car for traveling and then take it out when i got to my destination or is it like putting in a cd player.
You could do it either way; it comes with a mounting bracket and also you can take off the outside case and mount it DIN style in the dash.
Be aware it might take more work if you mount it in the dash above or below the stock radio. The front bezel is a little wider than most stock radios, so on my last install (Subaru Legacy GT) it was necessary to do some Dremel work on the plastic trim. It came out nice but it took a few hours. I could post pix if anyone wants
Be aware it might take more work if you mount it in the dash above or below the stock radio. The front bezel is a little wider than most stock radios, so on my last install (Subaru Legacy GT) it was necessary to do some Dremel work on the plastic trim. It came out nice but it took a few hours. I could post pix if anyone wants
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