Old Dot and Star GMRS frequencies

[Kiwibru]

Crawling out of the GMRS cave from 2000 I was surprised to find the following frequencies listed for the Kenwood Pro Talk TK-3100 HT that we have used on and off since they were new with first license from way back then.
When I look at the current listing of GMRS frequencies these are all not there!
Can they still be used by the modern HT or base stations if programmed in for TX and RX? (i.e. the old Kenwoods can sync with the new hardware and be usable?)
I have searched countless links and there seems to be mixed information about this so thought this would be a good source for the low down from you folks. TIA

Red Dot	467.900MHZ	UHF
Blue Dot	467.9250	UHF
Brown Dot	464.500 MHz	UHF
Yellow Dot	464.550 MHz	UHF
J Dot	467.7625 MHz	UHF
K Dot	467.8125 MHz	UHF
Silver Star	467.850 MHz	UHF
Gold Star	467.875 MHz	UHF
Red Star	467.900 MHz	UHF
Blue Star	467.925 MHz	UHF

 

[nd5y]

I'm not familiar with TK-3100. I don't know if it has FCC Part 95 certification required for GMRS use.
A long time ago non-individuals (businesses) could get GMRS licenses. Some low end UHF business radios came with GMRS channels. More info here:

Common Itinerant and Business - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

 

[K9KLC]

Crawling out of the GMRS cave from 2000 I was surprised to find the following frequencies listed for the Kenwood Pro Talk TK-3100 HT that we have used on and off since they were new with first license from way back then.
When I look at the current listing of GMRS frequencies these are all not there!
Can they still be used by the modern HT or base stations if programmed in for TX and RX? (i.e. the old Kenwoods can sync with the new hardware and be usable?)
I have searched countless links and there seems to be mixed information about this so thought this would be a good source for the low down from you folks. TIA

Red Dot	467.900MHZ	UHF
Blue Dot	467.9250	UHF
Brown Dot	464.500 MHz	UHF
Yellow Dot	464.550 MHz	UHF
J Dot	467.7625 MHz	UHF
K Dot	467.8125 MHz	UHF
Silver Star	467.850 MHz	UHF
Gold Star	467.875 MHz	UHF
Red Star	467.900 MHz	UHF
Blue Star	467.925 MHz	UHF

These are not GMRS frequencies that's why they're not on the list. They were as you titled the thread "dot and star frequencies ". If you have something that shows these were ever GMRS I'd like to see it.

 

[Kiwibru]

I guess the confusing part was when we applied for a license back in the day, it was issued as a GMRS license. The manual has the radio listed as a Business Radio Service (BRS) radio with the TK-2100 being VHF and the TK-3100 being UHF with the frequencies I listed. Right on the edge of today's GMRS documented frequencies for the 3100. The radios had the option to change channels within the given spectrum they had in the programing so you had two settings (two frequencies) to choose from with a toggle switch next to the squelch knob. Programing was an interesting process.
We could get batteries for them as the oem units died off from use and diminishing charge capacity so we just kept using them. Not a well defined period for GMRS and the then listed BRS being contained in one licensing process.
I think the Kenwood HR have reached end of service because of the changes even though they are well built and sturdy units. Primitive compared to the new technology. Thanks for the replies!
The licensing information in the manual is:

FCC LICENSE INFORMATION
Your KENWOOD radio operates on communications
frequencies which are subject to FCC (Federal
Communications Commission) Rules & Regulations.
FCC Rules require that all operators using Private Land
Mobile radio frequencies obtain a radio license before
operating their equipment. Application for license must
be made on FCC form 600, and schedules D, E. and G

 

[rf_patriot200]

Crawling out of the GMRS cave from 2000 I was surprised to find the following frequencies listed for the Kenwood Pro Talk TK-3100 HT that we have used on and off since they were new with first license from way back then.
When I look at the current listing of GMRS frequencies these are all not there!
Can they still be used by the modern HT or base stations if programmed in for TX and RX? (i.e. the old Kenwoods can sync with the new hardware and be usable?)
I have searched countless links and there seems to be mixed information about this so thought this would be a good source for the low down from you folks. TIA

Red Dot	467.900MHZ	UHF
Blue Dot	467.9250	UHF
Brown Dot	464.500 MHz	UHF
Yellow Dot	464.550 MHz	UHF
J Dot	467.7625 MHz	UHF
K Dot	467.8125 MHz	UHF
Silver Star	467.850 MHz	UHF
Gold Star	467.875 MHz	UHF
Red Star	467.900 MHz	UHF
Blue Star	467.925 MHz	UHF

NONE of these are Gmrs ,if that's what you're asking. These are Itinerant, Business frequencies which all require a part 90 license.

 

[mmckenna]

Crawling out of the GMRS cave from 2000 I was surprised to find the following frequencies listed for the Kenwood Pro Talk TK-3100 HT that we have used on and off since they were new with first license from way back then.

If you were using these radios on GMRS back in 2000, I suspect you actually had the TK-3101K, which was a GMRS version of the TK-3100K/K2 radio sold at the time.

When I look at the current listing of GMRS frequencies these are all not there!
Can they still be used by the modern HT or base stations if programmed in for TX and RX? (i.e. the old Kenwoods can sync with the new hardware and be usable?)

KPG-48D was the programming software for these radios. Not sure what it let you change. Usually these ProTalk radios only allowed the preprogrammed frequencies to be used and assigned to channel slots. It might have let you select different QT/DQT tones for the individual channels.

There were some of those older ProTalk radios that you could slam in the non-ProTalk firmware and program them as standard radios. It required the correct firmware, KPG-48 software and a bit of skill.

I have searched countless links and there seems to be mixed information about this so thought this would be a good source for the low down from you folks. TIA

The frequencies you listed below are not, and never were GMRS channels and your GMRS license would not have covered them.
The TK-3100 ProTalk radios were pre-programmed with those Part 90 business frequencies and would have required an FCC issued Part 90 business/industrial license to use.

Red Dot	467.900MHZ	UHF
Blue Dot	467.9250	UHF
Brown Dot	464.500 MHz	UHF
Yellow Dot	464.550 MHz	UHF
J Dot	467.7625 MHz	UHF
K Dot	467.8125 MHz	UHF
Silver Star	467.850 MHz	UHF
Gold Star	467.875 MHz	UHF
Red Star	467.900 MHz	UHF
Blue Star	467.925 MHz	UHF