Oncor rebanding

nd5y

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Oncor has rebanded the sites in the Wichita Falls area. I just submitted the changes.
I haven't searched 900 MHz for a long time so I don't know exactly when this happened or what other sites have been rebanded.
I don't know if this area was the beginning or the end.

All the licenses with modifications and the frequency changes are here:
 

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Judging by the control channels I can receive and their neighbor lists it looks like these have been rebanded:
43 Bryson
83 Electra
103 Henrietta
109 Jacksboro
131 Mineral Wells
145 Newport
165 Profitt
219 Westover
221 Wichita Falls
227 Windthorst

No way to tell from here if any other sites rebanded yet.
 

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Judging by the control channels I can receive and their neighbor lists it looks like these have been rebanded:
43 Bryson
83 Electra
103 Henrietta
109 Jacksboro
131 Mineral Wells
145 Newport
165 Profitt
219 Westover
221 Wichita Falls
227 Windthorst

No way to tell from here if any other sites rebanded yet.
I did notice something was different a couple weeks ago. I remember listening to some traffic during an outage in Grapevine, in January. But then a week or so ago, with the high winds, nothing. Found this control channel 935.175, I think is Fort Worth and Unitrunker shows these peers, but nothing is decoding or populating on the calls tab.
 

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nd5y

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Judging by the control channels I can receive and their neighbor lists it looks like these have been rebanded:
There was a band opening this morning. I found more rebanded sites and one of the 3 remaining sites that aren't even in the database yet.

Maybe the whole system is rebanded now.

People in west, central and east TX should not be surprised if the database is no longer any good for this system.
 

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That could explain why I haven't heard any activity on this system since I moved here.

What can I do with my SDS 200 near the Kaufman/Ellis/Henderson county lines to help yall map this out?
 

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What can I do with my SDS 200 near the Kaufman/Ellis/Henderson county lines to help yall map this out?
Find the sites near you.

On the database page on the right side opposite Site Frequencies (on a real computer with a big monitor; I don't know how it appears on a smart phone) there is a funnel icon and hamburger menu icon.
Click the menu icon and select FCC Callsigns map or Site Locations Report to get maps:
This is only good for what's in the database. There are 3 sites in NE TX that were never submitted. It also doesn't tell you which sites you can actually receive at any given location.

A better way is to search 935-940 MHz in 12.5 kHz steps in NFM mode, not digital, so you can hear the audio and be able to verify it's a control channel and not something else.

Write down all the constant P25 control channels you find. Then if possible repeat that with the antenna or scanner in different locations and see if you find more control channels.

When you have a list of all the control channels you found notice if any are between 936.5 and 939.5 MHz. That is the area that was vacated. The new frequencies are all between 935.0-936.5 and 939.5-940.0.

Look up the frequencies you found in the database and see if they correspond to any sites near you. They probably won't because most (but not all) moved and only a few sites in the database have the new frequencies.

Then look up the frequencies you found in the wiki here:
This is a list of all the licensed frequencies. The old ones have a - (minus) and the new ones have a + (plus) in the A/D column. A few were not changed. Note that the Location City on the license is not always the same as the site name in the database but the counties should all be the same. I didn't add the site numbers.

I have never used a SDS100/200 so I don't know what they are capable of.
Somebody who has one can tell you how to analyze a P25 trunked system.
You should be able to analyze the control channels you found and verify some or all of WACN, System ID, RFSS number, Site number, NAC and list of neighbor sites. On the rebanded sites that I have been able to run Unitrunker on the only thing that changed was the frequencies. NAC, site numbers, etc. was all the same.
 
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All right, searching 935-940, logging on ProScan. Once I find the CC, I'll let you know what I find.
 

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Also on all the Oncor sites I have analyzed directly the active control channel lists all the other site frequencies as alternate control channels. I think all Harris systems do that. I don't know if a SDS200 can display that.
 

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Are they still running encryption on most of their talkgroups? I noticed a majority of their talkgroups were encrypted shortly before I moved back to OKC in November.
 

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Are they still running encryption on most of their talkgroups? I noticed a majority of their talkgroups were encrypted shortly before I moved back to OKC in November.
I haven't see anything encrypted so far and not much activity at all but I don't run Unitrunker on it that often during business hours and don't have a phase II scanner.
 

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I submitted a few more changed sites recently. That's probably about the last of the site updates from me.
All the neighbor lists so far are showing active CC on new frequencies.
Too many sites are using the same CCs as ones closer to me and I can't receive them all.

One of the admins should add a note to the db page about rebanding and that most of the site frequences in the dabase are now incorrect.
 
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