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Problem is, those radios are ancient. There are used ones available, but most of them have lived a hard life in public safety use and have been beat to within an inch of their life.

Old radios need periodic alignments. The test equipment to perform those alignments isn't cheap. There is a lot of skill and knowledge involved to do that.

Old radios can have poor performance, but it's a good place to start. Just be careful and understand that you are purchasing 30+ year old radios that are not going to work like new.
I do completely understand. I never do anything the easy way. I have picked an era I like and would like to stay in it. If I can figure theses out my plan would be to venture in to the other radios I have access to (p110,mt500). I like the ht1250 series but I do not believe they are programmable on the software in my possession already.
I would be interested in finding a local group or shop capable of those alignments when/if I need them.
 

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Repeaters would be the last step. I don’t want to use cellular for several reasons.
From what I can gather ht1000 in the 403-470 capable of 25hrz and/or 12.5 hrz range is gmrs. While I’m new to the radio world I like to keep old school simple tx rx setup no digital no cellular. Simple point a to point b. (eventually if there is a c(repeater) in the middle)
We don’t have cellular service in places and would like to other forms of communication.

Then it sounds like GMRS is the right tool for what you are doing.

The HT1000 may be capable of being programmed, but you need to confirm it has FCC Type Acceptance for Part 95.

Keeping it simple is wise, that'll make life easier and lead to a lot less frustration.

Repeaters are a pain in the butt, expensive, complex, and require a lot of expensive test equipment and knowledge to set up. Try to avoid that as it'll quickly drain your bank account. Repeaters are not a good consumer endeavor.
 

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I do completely understand. I never do anything the easy way. I have picked an era I like and would like to stay in it. If I can figure theses out my plan would be to venture in to the other radios I have access to (p110,mt500). I like the ht1250 series but I do not believe they are programmable on the software in my possession already.

Be careful with some of those older radios. You're diving into headache land with some of that old gear.

I would be interested in finding a local group or shop capable of those alignments when/if I need them.

That's getting difficult. Most radio shops won't support these older radios any more. That's why they end up on the used market for cheap and in the hands of hobby users.

There's a lot of good reasons to use newer gear.
 
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Then it sounds like GMRS is the right tool for what you are doing.

The HT1000 may be capable of being programmed, but you need to confirm it has FCC Type Acceptance for Part 95.

Keeping it simple is wise, that'll make life easier and lead to a lot less frustration.

Repeaters are a pain in the butt, expensive, complex, and require a lot of expensive test equipment and knowledge to set up. Try to avoid that as it'll quickly drain your bank account. Repeaters are not a good consumer endeavor.
All this is one of The reasons I came here. For guidance. Once I have a set of 6 with the bank charger I don’t anticipate expanding.
This is definitely for a hobby not a business set up.

I have read The fcc regulations but not 100% clear on them. I can layout what I am looking at if that gives a clearer picture for guide of the rules.

Definitely simple to start. But if I did go a repeater route from my early research I was looking at a prebuilt system preprogrammed with channels of my choice on them. Like the one pictured as an example. I’m nowhere close to this just yet but in dream land plaining for the future if that’s the route I decide to take.
 

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All this is one of The reasons I came here. For guidance. Once I have a set of 6 with the bank charger I don’t anticipate expanding.
This is definitely for a hobby not a business set up.

OK, sounds like a good fit for GMRS.

I have read The fcc regulations but not 100% clear on them. I can layout what I am looking at if that gives a clearer picture for guide of the rules.

We're happy to help. Just be aware, there's no shortage of people on this site that will either tell you that FCC rules don't matter, or will give you bad advice since they don't understand the rules themselves.
The FCC doesn't make it easy, but there are a few of us here that will be happy to assist.

Definitely simple to start. But if I did go a repeater route from my early research I was looking at a prebuilt system preprogrammed with channels of my choice on them. Like the one pictured as an example. I’m nowhere close to this just yet but in dream land plaining for the future if that’s the route I decide to take.

Be careful with those low buck mobile radio based repeaters. The duplexers they use are not great performers and will limit range. Unlikely you'd get 25 miles out of a repeater like that unless it was on a mountain top with a big/expensive antenna. I'd say 5 mile range is more like it.
Also, the duplexers are mechanical devices and they do not like to be moved. Transporting them can often lead to detuning and poor performance.
Walk into the repeater world knowing that it is an expensive and frustrating place to be. Really make sure you've exhausted all your other resources before going the repeater route. It's not hobby/hobby budget friendly.
 

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GMRS requires everyone have an individual license who isn't related family. That being said, a portable repeater is certainly allowed as NO ONE LICENSEE has any particular claim to any frequency/pair HOWEVER, one must always remember to configure subscribers for "transmit inhibit on busy" to prevent interference.

As far as repeater systems: anyone can buy a repeater or cobble one together. Getting one to perform well requires costly test equipment, and skills and knowledge on how to use it, and things like quality feedline and antennas make all the difference between a good performing repeater and a deaf lemon.
 

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I do completely understand. I never do anything the easy way. I have picked an era I like and would like to stay in it. If I can figure theses out my plan would be to venture in to the other radios I have access to (p110,mt500). I like the ht1250 series but I do not believe they are programmable on the software in my possession already.
I would be interested in finding a local group or shop capable of those alignments when/if I need them.
Legacy radios, especially ones as old as P110s, require three decode old PCs, hardware, software and skills. MT500s are crystal controlled and there are maybe a small number of living people who have the knowledge to tune/align them let alone finding someone to re-crystal the channel elements if you can even get crystals for these relics anymore.
 

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A GMRS license covers mom, dad, sister, brother, son and daughter. Anyone else needs their own license. If you can get a Retevis repeater to work with antenna on a portable 25ft mast it could extend range around an event.
 

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I would be interested in finding a local group or shop capable of those alignments when/if I need them.
The radios you mentioned are decades out of their support cycle, so parts may be difficult (or very expensive) to find. Also, I wouldn't expect many qualified service shops would have the manuals or the desire to service vintage equipment. Shop around a little and see what the going rate for bench time is and compare that to the cost of each radio.
 

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The radios you mentioned are decades out of their support cycle, so parts may be difficult (or very expensive) to find. Also, I wouldn't expect many qualified service shops would have the manuals or the desire to service vintage equipment. Shop around a little and see what the going rate for bench time is and compare that to the cost of each radio.
Someone competent would be more than those radios are worth.
 

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Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.
Whoeee! That means my entire inbred family can use them! That would be nearly the entire trailer park here.
 

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Sounds like Moto DTR’s would be his best solution. Forget repeaters, they are way more trouble than they are worth for what you’re talking about doing. The DTR radios don’t require a license and you can hand them to literally anyone.
 

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Definitely simple to start. But if I did go a repeater route from my early research I was looking at a prebuilt system preprogrammed with channels of my choice on them. Like the one pictured as an example. I’m nowhere close to this just yet but in dream land plaining for the future if that’s the route I decide to take
When repeaters are moved, they often require tuning on the duplexers. Repeaters are NOT for novice or inexperienced people regardless of the source. I guess if you're willing to take the time to learn have at the very least a spectrum analyzer with a tracking generator or other calibrated source to fall back on, then and only then would be the repeater be a good idea. (in my humble opinion). I hauled a set of cans (duplexers) from where we worked on the repeater system, back to the tower site and it a 15 mile ride simply carrying them around and then I guess the car ride, we had to touch them back up.

All this is one of The reasons I came here. For guidance.
Ok and we've honestly tried to do that. You are bound and determined to use antiquated radios, that very very few people living today can honestly competently work on. While I'm personally ok with that, I work on 99.9 percent of all my own equipment and have for years and years. Frankly it's this new modern scanner programming that throws me for a loop upon occasion, and I've received help here often and frankly getting ready to post up another question. As was mentioned earlier, I'm not even sure what those radios are certified for, you'd have to check that yourself, as the operator or license holder it's YOUR responsibility to make sure anyone operating under your callsign has properly aligned and certified equipment.
Understand I"m not trying to steer you away from any of this, just trying to provide "guidance".


Sounds like Moto DTR’s would be his best solution. Forget repeaters, they are way more trouble than they are worth for what you’re talking about doing. The DTR radios don’t require a license and you can hand them to literally anyone.
This is without a doubt, the best answer here, due to the lack of experience, understanding and apparently some confusion on your part (I guess anyway) about exactly what GMRS is or what it isn't. You're not going to have a repeater for the DTR's but truthfully for what you've described they'd work ok I think.
 

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GMRS is intended for personal use. If you are doing business as in for profit you really should get licensed on frequencies for business use. That’s what they are for and you can license a portable repeater you can set up within your operating area.

While I agree that GMRS is not the best choice for business use, it is perfectly legal to use it for business purposes.
 

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While I agree that GMRS is not the best choice for business use, it is perfectly legal to use it for business purposes.
As long as every individual has their own GMRS license since the FCC has not issued GMRS licenses to businesses in quite some time.

We actually had to ban business use on our GMRS repeater due to the big farms thinking they could use it all of the time.
 

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As long as every individual has their own GMRS license since the FCC has not issued GMRS licenses to businesses in quite some time.
Right. Except I would tweak that statement a little: as long as every individual is covered by a GMRS license.

We actually had to ban business use on our GMRS repeater due to the big farms thinking they could use it all of the time.
Big farms still can use it "all the time" as long as everyone is covered by a license. Although I doubt these days this is a desirable solution. Part 90 coordination is about $500 one-time. And licenses are $200 for ten years. It doesn't really make any sense to use GMRS for that and other reasons.
 
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Big farms still can use it "all the time" as long as everyone is covered by a license. Although I doubt these days this is a desirable solution. Part 90 coordination is about $500 one-time. And licenses are $200 for ten years. It doesn't really make any sense to use GMRS for that and other reasons.
The problem is that the owner of the farm gets a license in his name and then just hands out rails to all of his employees that don't have licenses. The second issue is that they tie up the repeaters so that no one else can use them.

We aren't the only one that has had to ban business/commercial use on the local GMRS repeaters. I know of at least one or two other repeater owners that did the same as us.

These big farms are using GMRS when they shouldn't be so that they can avoid getting a commercial/business license.
 

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The problem is that the owner of the farm gets a license in his name and then just hands out rails to all of his employees that don't have licenses. The second issue is that they tie up the repeaters so that no one else can use them.

Tie up whose repeaters? If they have their own repeaters, they can "tie them up" as much as they want.

We aren't the only one that has had to ban business/commercial use on the local GMRS repeaters. I know of at least one or two other repeater owners that did the same as us.

If somebody wants to put a repeater that gets used by a people working at a business, that's perfectly legal.

These big farms are using GMRS when they shouldn't be so that they can avoid getting a commercial/business license.

You keep making a value judgement, which I may agree with or not, but it's not specified in the rules. Big farms and any other business concern can use GMRS if they want. Today. Right now... if everyone using radios are covered by a GMRS license.
 
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