Possible new DMR radio system in Edgefield

[shajoe44]

There has been no communication on this site as of now. I am running DSD constantly

 

[shajoe44]

Can anyone tell me why it sees this new system as Network S2 at start up then shows it as S3 then gives me Forcing TIII network type then settles in as network S2?
It shows it as TIIInonStd (MOT) Site S2-2 DCC:0 RAS NL: 1 3 4

Thanks

2024/08/07 15:45:09 Freq=300.000000 Tuning to 453.387500; dwell time = 0.75 sec
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS Found control channel
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current network: S2
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current site: S2-2
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current network: S3
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current site: S3-1.3
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 From .frequencies file, line 293: Forcing TIII network type; Setting network ID, site number.
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current network: S2
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 Current site: S2-2
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS S2-2 neighbor: Site S2-4; CC=1
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS S2-2 neighbor: Site S2-1; CC=1
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS S2-2 neighbor: Site S2-3; CC=1

 

[154600]

Can anyone tell me why it sees this new system as Network S2 at start up then shows it as S3 then gives me Forcing TIII network type then settles in as network S2?
It shows it as TIIInonStd (MOT) Site S2-2 DCC:0 RAS NL: 1 3 4

Thanks

2024/08/07 15:45:09 Freq=300.000000 Tuning to 453.387500; dwell time = 0.75 sec
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS Found control channel
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current network: S2
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current site: S2-2
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current network: S3
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current site: S3-1.3
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 From .frequencies file, line 293: Forcing TIII network type; Setting network ID, site number.
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current network: S2
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 Current site: S2-2
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS S2-2 neighbor: Site S2-4; CC=1
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS S2-2 neighbor: Site S2-1; CC=1
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS S2-2 neighbor: Site S2-3; CC=1

Could it be that the system is actually a Cap Max instead of Cap Plus? I’m not sure what the difference is but it might be throwing it off due to their similarities.

 

[shajoe44]

It's a Cap Max for sure

 

[154600]

It's a Cap Max for sure

Can it be monitored with an XPR like Cap Plus?

 

[KQ4ILU]

Still receiving ECEMS on 150.935 with my outside antennae. Some distortion. I soon with have to DMR upgrade my scanner.

 

[shajoe44]

Actually EMS is using Fleettalk until the new system comes online. They simulcast on their VHF frequency. Sometimes on the weekend for unknown reasons the simulcast gets turned off.

 

[KQ4ILU]

Actually EMS is using Fleettalk until the new system comes online. They simulcast on their VHF frequency. Sometimes on the weekend for unknown reasons the simulcast gets turned off.I did not kno

 

[KQ4ILU]

I do know that I have heard enough of that frequency today. We have been busy. LOL.

 

[AB4BF]

Today, in addition to the original 453.3875 on the Pleasant Lane tower, I'm receiving 460.0250 off the Trenton tower. I can only receive a carrier from there.
I guess we are getting close to success!

 

[shajoe44]

It is showing up as site 3. Sure looks like a weak signal. I am closer to Trenton than the Edgefield site and signal strength is about half.

 

[shajoe44]

Why is the bottom showing in RED for this particular site? The other active site shows up normally.

 

[mtindor]

Can anyone tell me why it sees this new system as Network S2 at start up then shows it as S3 then gives me Forcing TIII network type then settles in as network S2?
It shows it as TIIInonStd (MOT) Site S2-2 DCC:0 RAS NL: 1 3 4

Thanks

2024/08/07 15:45:09 Freq=300.000000 Tuning to 453.387500; dwell time = 0.75 sec
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS Found control channel
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current network: S2
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current site: S2-2
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current network: S3
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current site: S3-1.3
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 From .frequencies file, line 293: Forcing TIII network type; Setting network ID, site number.
2024/08/07 15:45:10 Freq=453.387500 Current network: S2
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 Current site: S2-2
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS S2-2 neighbor: Site S2-4; CC=1
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS S2-2 neighbor: Site S2-1; CC=1
2024/08/07 15:45:11 Freq=453.387500 DCC=0 RAS S2-2 neighbor: Site S2-3; CC=1

Unless the signal is perfect, DSDPlus by default will detect a TIII system as TIIIstandard with different network model and #.# site numbers, until it "detects" certain information in the datastream that confirms it is CAPMAX. If the signal is weak it may never show MOT TIIInonStandard/CAPMAX, or it might take a while for it to show it.

 

[shajoe44]

Unless the signal is perfect, DSDPlus by default will detect a TIII system as TIIIstandard with different network model and #.# site numbers, until it "detects" certain information in the datastream that confirms it is CAPMAX. If the signal is weak it may never show MOT TIIInonStandard/CAPMAX, or it might take a while for it to show it.

I was kind of figuring it might be something along those lines. The Edgefield site shows up perfectly. Not sure why this site, which is actually closer, is so weak. Maybe they are still working on it. Thanks

 

[mtindor]

I was kind of figuring it might be something along those lines. The Edgefield site shows up perfectly. Not sure why this site, which is actually closer, is so weak. Maybe they are still working on it. Thanks

you're welcome. Have fun sleuthing out the new system!

 

[mtindor]

you're welcome. Have fun sleuthing out the new system!

I should also add that if you see neighbors with cc=1, that either means that the neighboring sites are not online OR that there is no connectivity between those sites and the site you are monitoring. You may have already known that, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

 

[shajoe44]

I should also add that if you see neighbors with cc=1, that either means that the neighboring sites are not online OR that there is no connectivity between those sites and the site you are monitoring. You may have already known that, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

Yes the Edgefield site shows that information with CC=1 but this site does not show that information. Thanks

 

[shajoe44]

453.3875, 453.5375, 453.8375 and 460.2625 are all showing up listed as S2-2 when scanning them.

 

[AB4BF]

Finally!!! Voices on the radio! TG 101 radio techs testing voice. Trenton tower, 5:16 pm.

 

[shajoe44]

Looks like only 2 sites communicating with each other. The Trenton (site 3) is showing Edgefield (Site 2) as a neighbor. Edgefield site is showing Trenton as a neighbor.