SDS100/SDS200: Proprietary Battery Packs

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RandyKuff

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If weight is a primary concern, than your fixation with AAs is a bad idea. Lithium batteries weigh less, and carry more power than AAs.

I just weighed 3 of the EBL 14500 AA form factor Li-ion batteries, 60 grams. For comparison, 3 Tenergy NiMH AAs weigh 80 grams. The Li-ion batteries will run a 436 for 10-13 hours. The NiMH batteries will run the 436 fo 8-10 hours with similar settings and traffic levels. So you get longer runtime with less weight using the Li-ion batteries vs AAs. Li-ion batteries also charge more efficiently; you can get more than 90% of the charge energy out of lithium batteries during discharge, vs ~70% with NiMH. So you can charge faster or get by with a smaller charger by using Li-ion vs NiMH.

Just something to think about.

Don't forget Jon... You didn't mention you need to rewire the battery holder to use 14500 Li-ion batt's in the 436...
If you don't you will kiss you radio goodby...

To me that's a dangerous senerial with the 14500 being the same size as AA's...
I can see people making that mistake and having three 3.7v nominal batt's in series at 11.10 volts... POOF!!!
 

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Yes, I converted the battery connections in the 436 from series to parallel. But by doing so, I'm getting ~20% more battery life from batteries that weigh 75% of the originals, require less energy to recharge, and are easier to recharge intelligently. Seems like a win-win to me.
 
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I agree on the runtime increase... But you can't just drop them in there without the batt tray rewire...
 

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My point was that fixating on powering everything with AA batteries doesn't make sense when weight is a concern.
 
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I understand the point...
Just wanted to make sure somebody dosn't pull there NiMh batt's and drop in 14500's without modding the batt tray...
 

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My point was that fixating on powering everything with AA batteries doesn't make sense when weight is a concern.

Except when you consider the investment I have in 5 PowerEx (4) AA battery chargers that can be used with 12V or 120V, plus have a long term "recondition" feature on them as well. A 6th PowerEx is on top of my radio desk and will do 8 batteries at a time. It too has the "recondition" feature. I'm still using batteries from 2012 in some devices so this recondition feature is very useful. None of those chargers would be compatible with the 14500's. When hiking I carry 8 AA batteries, one pack in the scanner and one pack being recharged. The roll up solar panel charges standard AA rechargeable batteries, that is what they were made to do. The weight difference between (8) 14500's and (8) 2700mAh PowerEx batteries is 8.2 ounces. I make up for those ounces with the excellent equipment I've acquired over the years (backpacks, tents, stoves, water bottles, etc.) that reduce weight. I have a first aid kit that is heavier than almost anyone's. It includes two 36" long "Sam Splints" (TM) that weigh 4 ounces each. My pack is heavier than average so that my skills are matched with a few tools. Some call these heavier packs "the ranger syndrome" because rangers, paramedics, etc., even off duty, tend to carry more to be able to help others. Anyway, the extra 8 ounces for batteries does not concern me given what I carry.

If you have backpacking or overnight cross country ski trip experience this might make some sense. There are always trade offs with everything item you carry, or choose to not carry. I remember one trip in Colorado where a woman from Miami developed "HAPE" (High Altitude Pulmonary Edema), which caused me to carry a stethoscope for a few subsequent trips, but I stopped. I haven't had the need since, knock on wood.
 
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