"Public shouldn't listen"...

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Hans13

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That's a good idea. Let's try to keep things on topic.

I can translate your ORIGINAL post. You want to read what you agree with and nothing else. This has to do with encryption by government agencies and I was answering a post.

Moving on.
 

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My question is.....why does encryption (generally) have to be all or nothing. I 100% understand encryption and believe, at times, a department should use it. However, they should not use it 24/7/365. Only when needed.

During the Ferguson riots online apps were, within 60 seconds or less, broadcasting defensive and offensive plans that the PD was trying to implement. Protesters were using that info to get ahead of the PD. After I heard that, I can agree that that is a perfect time to encrypt. When the event is over, go back to in the clear communication for day to day stuff. That was definitely an officer safety situation. Dare I even say it but in almost all of the officers that I know of that have been injured, or worse, encryption would not have (and in some cases did not) prevent what happened. I have been listening to scanners for over 40 years and use radios every day in my work. And as most of us, I understand how these things work.

Just find a way to use it "when needed". That is all I/we can ask.

As always, IMHO.
 

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I wouldn't quibble either about reserved use of encryption, scanman1958. To me, it is a common sense compromise.

Good post. Spot on.
 

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When choosing between secure and non-secure operations, the only way to do it that doesn't impact officer training or operations is to have a group of channels for use that are always encrypted and have the dispatcher assign them. The standard field person is not capable (generally) of remembering when to switch to encryption and when not to.. Evidence several incidents in the past where agencies used to have the choice of encryption, failed to use it. In one instance, a surveillance detail ran half the detail in the clear and the entire SF bay area got to hear.
 

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Why complain so much about the 'man' using encryption,when everyone here who tries to monitor them,uses encryption full time on their 'own' communication devices.

What is it that 'you' need to hide? lol!
 

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Why complain so much about the 'man' using encryption,when everyone here who tries to monitor them,uses encryption full time on their 'own' communication devices.

What is it that 'you' need to hide? lol!

Rights vs privileges was already covered up-thread.
 

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Listening with a scanner is a privilege,not a right.

Nope. What right does a government have to tell you that you can't? (Hint... Nonliving things do not posess rights.) We may voluntarily set aside some of our rights and accept privileges under a government but it does not mean that government has rights. Consent to be governed does not alter the premise that rights are for living beings.

Please, let's not derail this thread with the very basics of individuals rights that used to be painfully obvious to a free people. If you need a primer on rights, perhaps RadioReference is not the place to get it. The truth about inalienable individual rights is far different than what you might learn through today's media and educational system. Read the great thinkers of the past. Then you'll have your answer.

Again, please let us not derail this thread.
 

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In the USA, which is one of the very few countries on this planet that stipulates rights in the way we do, you certainly are allowed to listen. You are NOT allowed to divulge the information for gain, nor are you able to intercept encrypted transmissions. The last point is kind of a no-brainer. If it is encrypted, you certainly should keep it to yourself if you are capable of decrypting.
 

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Why complain so much about the 'man' using encryption,when everyone here who tries to monitor them,uses encryption full time on their 'own' communication devices.

What is it that 'you' need to hide? lol!

I encrypt everything 'because I can', and whatever it is, is certainly noone elses business.:D
 

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Nope. What right does a government have to tell you that you can't? (Hint... Nonliving things do not posess rights.) We may voluntarily set aside some of our rights and accept privileges under a government but it does not mean that government has rights. Consent to be governed does not alter the premise that rights are for living beings.

Please, let's not derail this thread with the very basics of individuals rights that used to be painfully obvious to a free people. If you need a primer on rights, perhaps RadioReference is not the place to get it. The truth about inalienable individual rights is far different than what you might learn through today's media and educational system. Read the great thinkers of the past. Then you'll have your answer.

Again, please let us not derail this thread.

It's all left up to interpretation by a judge not you or any other 'individuals' interpretation.
 
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