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Robbyboy

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Greetings Everyone

I am trying to figure this out, but my brain is racked right now. I am trying to get my radios set up so that there is some semblance of order. Here is what I have:
  • Pro-2051
  • Pro-96
  • Pro-97
  • BC9000XLT
  • Drake SW2
The problem is that something is causing interference but I cannot isolate it. Ive tried the following:
  • Swapping Antennas
  • Changing Outlets
  • Changing Plugs
  • Moving Further Away from Computer
Im not sure what else to try as I am drawing a blank. If I need to provide more information please let me know!

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specman

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This can be quite frustrating to find. It sounds like all your radios are affected by this interference, so m y reply will be making that assumption. You may need to elaborate on what type of interference you are receiving ie: all frequencies, certain freqs. excessive "birdies", strong intermod etc. Did you try turning your computer OFF? They can interfere at quite a distance from the radio..

Here's some more faultfinding:

1. Pick one radio and power from battery - no adaptors or cords. No noise? AC supply problem. Noise? Keep going.

2. Disconnect antenna and check for noise. Noise? Source is likely close or at least very strong. No noise? Source is likely further away or at least very weak. Are there any nearby sources of interference (cell/radio towers). Try walking around your home with the scanner and no antenna to see if the interference get's stronger... likely indicating a source. Some other offenders include power, telephone and cable TV lines/equipment.

3. This one is a bit drastic, but sometimes necessary. Turn off the power to your home at the circuit breaker panel and recheck. Noise gone? Something in your house powered by AC. Still there? Something either battery powered or outside home. You may need to turn off all battery powered devices if you think it's something in the house causing the problem.

These can be hard to trace. I used to have a very annoying "pulse" of noise that my scanners would pick up on all over UHF that would have a 1 second interval - turned out to be a neighbors clock radio! They gladly accepted my offer to replace the offending device.

Be methodical and you'll find the source. I'm sure others here will have more advice for you.

Cheers!
 

Tom-H

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Are all the radios experiencing the interference?
Is it only certain bands or are all bands affected?
Has anyone in your neighborhood installed any electrical devices recently?
Are there any amateur radio operators nearby?
Have any new cell towers gone up around you lately?
Do you live near any AM/FM broadcast antennas?

Sorry for all the questions but more info is needed to formulate a possible cause to your problem.
 
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N_Jay

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Robbyboy said:
Greetings Everyone

I am trying to figure this out, but my brain is racked right now. . . .
The problem is that something is causing interference but I cannot isolate it. . . . .
Im not sure what else to try as I am drawing a blank.
If I need to provide more information please let me know.

Describe the problem, what frequency? what symptoms?
Describe what you have done, was there any change?
Did it happen suddenly or over time?
What events happened when it started?
 

Robbyboy

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So far here is my progress:

Removal of power from my wireless router has improved the situation. I still have the problem but it has gottten better.

  • My carrier simply opens up, primarially on VHF-Hi (150Mhz Range)
  • Computer is not the reason, Ive powered off both the monitor AND the CPU and it does not improve. Ive powered off my printers as well and no joy.
  • To add to the matter, the problem is not consistent, therefore I cannot always catch it now. Removal of my wireless router has greatly improved this problem.
  • I am going to work on the wires around my office and see what I can find.
This can be quite frustrating to find. It sounds like all your radios are affected by this interference, so m y reply will be making that assumption. You may need to elaborate on what type of interference you are receiving ie: all frequencies, certain freqs. excessive "birdies", strong intermod etc. Did you try turning your computer OFF? They can interfere at quite a distance from the radio..

Here's some more faultfinding:

1. Pick one radio and power from battery - no adaptors or cords. No noise? AC supply problem. Noise? Keep going.

2. Disconnect antenna and check for noise. Noise? Source is likely close or at least very strong. No noise? Source is likely further away or at least very weak. Are there any nearby sources of interference (cell/radio towers). Try walking around your home with the scanner and no antenna to see if the interference get's stronger... likely indicating a source. Some other offenders include power, telephone and cable TV lines/equipment.

3. This one is a bit drastic, but sometimes necessary. Turn off the power to your home at the circuit breaker panel and recheck. Noise gone? Something in your house powered by AC. Still there? Something either battery powered or outside home. You may need to turn off all battery powered devices if you think it's something in the house causing the problem.

Cheers!

  • Not all radios experience interference
  • See above (VHF-Hi Only)
  • No electrical devices to my knowledge
  • No Radio Operators to my knowledge
  • No Cell Towers (I wish) to my knowledge
  • No Broadcast antennas
For what it is worth, this problem is only noted in one room of my house. Now does the culprit need to be powered? Can an unpowered monitor or other piece of electronics cause it as well?

Are all the radios experiencing the interference?
Is it only certain bands or are all bands affected?
Has anyone in your neighborhood installed any electrical devices recently?
Are there any amateur radio operators nearby?
Have any new cell towers gone up around you lately?
Do you live near any AM/FM broadcast antennas?
 

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I have similar problems over the years.

Most recently it was my cell phone charger. (Motorola) It was randomly opening the squelch with no noticeable signal present. If I tightened the squelch quite a bit, the problem went away.

The problem was only with the scanner in my kitchen. It would randomly come and go. I didn't have any problem with any of my other scanners. So, I put a different scanner in the kitchen and that seemed to fix the problem. For about 2 hours! I grabbed a hand held scanner and started waving it around the kitchen. The rubber duck hit the cell phone charger and the problem went away.

The fix was to move my cell phone charger to the other end of the kitchen counter. Only a matter of 15' or so.
 

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Tentative Suspect

I think I have found one of the suspects, My Surge Surpressor!!

I had to do some moving around, but I think I nailed it now... Is there a way I can shield the surge surpressor in order to keep using it?

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Funny, I was just going to say check the surge suppressors as I scrolled to the bottom. It's usually the cheap stuff that does it. I had a Nikon battery charger cause problems for months before I realized that was it... I kept assuming it was the big stuff.

I would just get another one. It's a lot less trouble then fixing the one you have.

Dave
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specman

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Robbyboy said:
I think I have found one of the suspects, My Surge Surpressor!!

I had to do some moving around, but I think I nailed it now... Is there a way I can shield the surge surpressor in order to keep using it?

Good work! Is it causing noise because you're PLUGGED into it, or because you are NEAR it? If you use it for the power source, there's likely not much you can do with it. Otherwise repositioning it elsewhere may be sufficient. You may need to use something else though. In my case all my radios are DC powered, and I use a high end voltage regulator for my PC that doesn't cause any grief.
 
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N_Jay

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If your surge suppressor is making RF noise it is time to get a NEW ONE.

That one is BAD!
 

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Glad to hear you found the source of your noise.

I had a similar situation on VHF and it turns out to be the Cable Modem. Once I disconnect the cable, the noise (open carriers all throughout the band) is gone. Soon I'll have Verizon FiOS and dump my cable Internet service. Hopefully FiOS does not cause any major interference problems.
 

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Encapsulate it in a lead cask and then put that in a vat of "heavy water" and then put on ebay for 1 billion dollars. If they ask if ur smoking crack... You know what to say.
 

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Surge protectors use varisters (Basically an AC voltage regulator). Anything over the rated voltage of the varister and the voltage gets clipped. Eliminating spikes. It is hard for me to understand how the surge protecter can be creating RF interference, but it maybe. I would unplugged everything one by one out of the surge suppressor and see if you can find the culprit. Maybe you don't need to go out and buy another surge supperssor.
 

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It sounds like you have identified the problem, however, if not, one culprit not mentioned here is dimmer switches. As these usually cause interference on low frequencies using AM, it is probably not the source of your problem.

A problem I have in my unique location is being right on the edge of the main telephone microwave path in town. I'm less than a mile from the source and front end overload can result even to triple conversion scanners. It is very random and only occurs ocassionally, but once the receiver lets it through it can last longer than my patience. It doesn't help that I have a pre-amplifier that works at the antenna either, but without it I can't listen to 800 MHz repeaters located 60 miles away in my mountainous location.

The discussion here reminds me of how inadequate the Part 15 regulations seem to be. I've taken some fairly expensive commercial handheld radios into stores where the computer/cash registers put out enough RF to open the squelch from ten feet away. Annoying to say the least. I've noticed on my amateur handhelds frequencies around 146 MHz seem to pickup more of this interference than those above that. Can this be by design? Reminds me of the BPL situation, broadband over powerline, where the commisioners of the FCC concluded that most of the interference problems would affect amateur radio, and thus did not think it an important one.
 
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Hi all,

"Are there any amateur radio operators nearby?"

Hey buddy, I resemble that remark! (;->) Seriously, I hope there IS a ham nearby to help you locate and resolve the problems, if not find one. Otherwise it's process of elimination the way detectives find a suspect. Doyle as Sherlock Holmes gave the best advice in two famous quotes, "The truth often hides in plain sight." and "Once the impossible has been eliminated, what remains however improbable is the solution." Don't forget that off is not always OFF, pull the plugs.
 

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JMedley_1 said:
Surge protectors use varisters (Basically an AC voltage regulator). Anything over the rated voltage of the varister and the voltage gets clipped. Eliminating spikes. It is hard for me to understand how the surge protecter can be creating RF interference
You just described how. Clipping creates square waves. Square waves are very rich in high frequency harmonics. It usually won't sound like a carrier - more like a motor which, because of the commutator, creates square waves.

If it's in the 150 MHz band I'd suspect some small computer, like a router or cable or DSL modem.
 
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N_Jay

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JMedley_1 said:
Surge protectors use varisters (Basically an AC voltage regulator). Anything over the rated voltage of the varister and the voltage gets clipped. Eliminating spikes. It is hard for me to understand how the surge protecter can be creating RF interference, but it maybe. I would unplugged everything one by one out of the surge suppressor and see if you can find the culprit. Maybe you don't need to go out and buy another surge supperssor.


Because it is going bad and it us starting to clip the normal AC waveform.
The clipping is generating harmonics.

Get a new one!
 

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Al42 Wrote:

You just described how. Clipping creates square waves. Square waves are very rich in high frequency harmonics. It usually won't sound like a carrier - more like a motor which, because of the commutator, creates square waves.

I shouldn't have used the word clipping. Suppres is a better word. There are no square waves being generated by a varister. All varisters do is take out the spikes. They go inline with the hot, neutral and GND. Diodes clip, varisters do not.
 
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N_Jay Wrote:

Because it is going bad and it us starting to clip the normal AC waveform. The clipping is generating harmonics.

Varisters do not clip, they suppress any AC spikes above the rated value of the varister.
 
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JMedley_1 said:
N_Jay Wrote:



Varisters do not clip, they suppress any AC spikes above the rated value of the varister.

How do they do that?

(Maybe by lowering their resistance shunting the voltage to ground, causing sudden current flows generating waveforms with a large amount of harmonic energy?)
 
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