Repeater Frequencies for Area 51

[The-Analog-Kid]

Sounds like you need to move out of the hoods of Los Angeles, if nothing else.

I only make $28k a year. Can't afford to live in an area that would be devoid of thuggery.The area I live now is very odd. You can't be jobless and live in my area. I pay $k a month for rent, plus there is no section 8, or govt assisted living in this area. The thugs that live around here are unique. They don't look or dress like typical gang bangers. They dress in current style and drive decent cars. They have jobs. Thugs with jobs. They work 9 to 5 and come home to their nice apts, yet every night there is gunfire around here.

 

[The-Analog-Kid]

Sounds to me like you've been hanging around with the wrong crowd. I see a lot of myself when I was younger in that post. However, I moved out of where I was living to a large city, met a bunch of great people and have totally forgotten about the BS of where I was before. I'd suggest doing the same once you're able to. From the sounds of things you're in the under-25 crowd?

Anyway back on topic... The Air to Ground comms aren't encrypted? I'm surprised that ALL their comms aren't. If they go to such lengths to keep people away from whatever goes on there, seems trivial to encrypt /everything/.

I'm 46 yrs old. The things that I described earlier all happened in my 20's, decades ago. I no longer experience those types of things ever since I stopped having friends. Not having friends keeps a lot of stress and strain out of your life. The downside is the incredible loneliness.

 

[The-Analog-Kid]

Wow, beef up or maybe learn how to box? Don't be a target! :twisted:
Otherwise, you have my condolences...

To stay on topic, you could always go camping outside of the fence and see what you hear? ...but then you could have camo dudes roughing you up for it!

73,
n9zas

I'm 5'11", 280 lbs. I'm built like a grizzly bear. But as I said earlier, those things I talked about happened to me 20 years ago. They stopped happening to me when I stopped having friends. I'm solitary and stay out of trouble. It works for me, except for the loneliness.

 

[The-Analog-Kid]

Well, since you like "oddball" stuff, one fun thing is the close call feature of your bearcat, while it's not going to pick up much at your house, maybe take a walk through the neighborhood and see what you pick up. As for having an Icom R3, maybe plug in some military stuff. In LA, they have on occasion, Combat Air Patrols (google it)

Also check out this site:

SOCAL MILCOM | Southern California Military Communications «

As for new equipment, check out the BC125AT, also a fun radio that is on sale at radio shack is the Pro-107, it has the whole RR database built in.

While you may not be able to travel to Area51, you find an interesting read here:

Area 51 - Dreamland Resort

Close Call NEVER picks up anything when I'm at home. When I'm out and about, I'll get the occasional fast food headset, but you have to be basically in the driveway of the fast food place to even get the frequency, as the signals are so weak. I also got a couple tow trucks, and a few cop transmissions. Other than that, nothing. I'll check out that military link, but do you think my BC could pick up those military signals from L.A.?

 

[gewecke]

Are there any repeater frequencies for Area 51? I live in Los Angeles and could never get a direct connection to anything with my Bearcat, plus it's analog only. Was wondering if anyone out there was running a repeater frequency so that us L.A. folks could listen to the place that doesn't exist.....

I found some things you might be interested in...

Area 51, NTTR and Nellis AFB Trunking Systems


Happy listening, if you can? :roll:

73,
n9zas

 

[The-Analog-Kid]

I found some things you might be interested in...

Area 51, NTTR and Nellis AFB Trunking Systems


Happy listening, if you can? :roll:

73,
n9zas

GREAT! They're all trunked! That gives me a fighting chance! Hopefully, I can pick something up that's analog. At the very least, I'll enter all the frequencies and see what I can come up with. The fact that they're trunked at least means I MIGHT be able to hear them, that is, given they're not digital.

 

[gewecke]

GREAT! They're all trunked! That gives me a fighting chance! Hopefully, I can pick something up that's analog. At the very least, I'll enter all the frequencies and see what I can come up with. The fact that they're trunked at least means I MIGHT be able to hear them, that is, given they're not digital.

From the looks of this page, these are all P25 at the very least, and one of them is Pro-voice so you can forget that one.
I thinks you're gonna have to become the "digital kid" in the future!

Yeah, I'm not sure how recent that stuff is but after doing some snooping in previous pages, that wasn't there...

Please let us know if you anything interesting?
Thanks,

73,
n9zas

 

[RadioDitch]

From the looks of this page, these are all P25 at the very least, and one of them is Pro-voice so you can forget that one.

That's actually an error. The EDACS system is not ProVoice, but rather AEGIS encrypted. An acquaintance of mine confirmed this a few years ago on a trip through the area. It's known to be the system used by G4S WSI Nevada (aka: Cammo Dudes), and by the ranch owner who needs clearance to access some of his own land. Except the rancher's radio seems to be in the clear. Beyond that, no other users have been able to be confirmed.

The P25 systems were only discovered over the last 4 months, so you'll probably find out more than anyone can say at this point. I would be shocked if most of the TG's weren't DES-OFB encrypted.

 

[gewecke]

That's actually an error. The EDACS system is not ProVoice, but rather AEGIS encrypted. An acquaintance of mine confirmed this a few years ago on a trip through the area. It's known to be the system used by G4S WSI Nevada (aka: Cammo Dudes), and by the ranch owner who needs clearance to access some of his own land. Except the rancher's radio seems to be in the clear. Beyond that, no other users have been able to be confirmed.

The P25 systems were only discovered over the last 4 months, so you'll probably find out more than anyone can say at this point. I would be shocked if most of the TG's weren't DES-OFB encrypted.

Me too, but then "analog kid" might be in a good location for highly sought after listening if it turns out that there's some clear tg's ! :wink:

73,
n9zas

 

[gariac]

I can confirm the camo dudes do not use Pro-Voice. I have been out there with "DSD" and it doesn't recognize the signal. Further, I have played the audio to LMR dealers and they swear it is AEGIS DES. I have photographed the camo dudes radio and they use a MRK as far as I can tell.

In my last visit to the range (November 2011), the only trunk signals you decode are from the DOE NTS (aka N2S2). But posts indicate Nellis is on a new system. To be honest, what is posted isn't terribly good, perhaps due to the system being in a state of flux.

Your best best is simply listening to VHF/UHF milair. I provided a good list in my previous post. Bandscanning gets you the VHF Groom frequencies very easily. There are ground units that use the air frequencies, but you need to be on TIkaboo Peak to hear them.

I ran into someone who got a ride with Steve Medlin at Bald Mountain. He was there when Steve used his radio to contact the base to cross the border. This person isn't into scanning, so I got no details on the radio. But given the cost of those trunking radio systems, I would bet they have an analog back door for Steve and made the sheriffs department.

This is the photo that has what I believe to be a GE MRK next to the window:
http://www.lazygranch.com/images/bald/spongedude.jpg
I could make a Facebook page for many of the camo dudes since I have photographed enough of them, but they get fired if their identity is revealed.

Note the dudes also carry a receiver for the Qualtron EMIDs, so potentially that is the radio seen in the window.

As far as I know, WSI does not do security for Groom. Previously it was EG&G, but EG&G no longer exists. The powers that be have compartmentalized the security contracts, giving the NTS, Groom, and the TTR different vendors. The TTR security is done by the Washington Group.

 

[gariac]

Close Call NEVER picks up anything when I'm at home. When I'm out and about, I'll get the occasional fast food headset, but you have to be basically in the driveway of the fast food place to even get the frequency, as the signals are so weak. I also got a couple tow trucks, and a few cop transmissions. Other than that, nothing. I'll check out that military link, but do you think my BC could pick up those military signals from L.A.?

Close Call (or Signal Stalker) works best in locations where there is little radio activity. It works great around the Nellis range.

I found these suspected CIA paratroopers aircraft using signal stalker II on a pro-97:
n196d
http://www.lazygranch.com/sound/skybox_06142007.ogg
You need VLC (videolan) for ogg files.

You will get nothing from Area 51 in LA. Like I said, your best bet is a trip to Palmdale. The Janets fly mostly on the weekdays, and generally Monday and Friday at KPMD. You can check the flights out at
FlightAware > Palmdale Regional Airport (Palmdale, CA) KPMD / PMD Flight Tracker
Potentially, you can find an early Monday flight or late afternoon Friday flight and not miss work. If you make a day trip of it. KPMD is closed to the public. You can spot planes from Sierra Highway or at this location:
34.630502° -118.058608°
You could hit Edwards, PMD, and Mojave in one trip from LA. (OK, it would be a long day.) For Edwards, you can park at the California roadside rest by route 58. The Edwards aircraft often fly over there. I've also parked in the hills just north of route 58 just across from the base. The Janet aircraft also land at Edwards Northbase. That is on a weekday basis. If you know where the turn is for EDW on route 58, just head north instead of south. That will put you on a hill so that you can observe planes landing at Edwards North Base.

I should mention that Edwards North Base runs Area 51. Area 51 is detachment 3 of the AFFTC.

 

[RadioDitch]

As far as I know, WSI does not do security for Groom. Previously it was EG&G, but EG&G no longer exists. The powers that be have compartmentalized the security contracts, giving the NTS, Groom, and the TTR different vendors. The TTR security is done by the Washington Group.

The Cammo Dudes at Groom Lake (Area 51) are WSI Nevada Team, which is formerly Whackenhut, and is now part of G4S (Group 4 Securicor). This is a fact, not a question.

And the Lincoln County Sherriff does not communicate with base security on the EDACS AEGIS system any longer.

I should mention that Edwards North Base runs Area 51. Area 51 is detachment 3 of the AFFTC.

Most administrative and operations command are still believed to be on-site, despite the fact that they answer to Edwards North (if anyone...insert your favorite cult conspiracy here. Hahaha).

 

[gariac]

The Cammo Dudes at Groom Lake (Area 51) are WSI Nevada Team, which is formerly Whackenhut, and is now part of G4S (Group 4 Securicor). This is a fact, not a question.

And the Lincoln County Sherriff does not communicate with base security on the EDACS AEGIS system any longer.



Most administrative and operations command are still believed to be on-site, despite the fact that they answer to Edwards North (if anyone...insert your favorite cult conspiracy here. Hahaha).

And how exactly can we can verify your "facts"? Well other than the lack of ProVoice which is easy to verify.
Nothing from IGAN verifies your statement regarding the dudes.

 

[gewecke]

And how exactly can we can verify your "facts"? Well other than the lack of ProVoice which is easy to verify.
Nothing from IGAN verifies your statement regarding the dudes.

You could always pull up next to the guys in the ford raptors and just ask? :lol:
He's probably correct at any rate.

73,
n9zas

 

[RadioDitch]

You could always pull up next to the guys in the ford raptors and just ask? :lol:
He's probably correct at any rate.

73,
n9zas

Or just check WSI Nevada's and G4S's associated corporate websites, or DOD press releases. They don't keep it a secret where they guard, just what they're guarding.

 

[gariac]

Or just check WSI Nevada's and G4S's associated corporate websites, or DOD press releases. They don't keep it a secret where they guard, just what they're guarding.

Or maybe you could just provide the link. I did check their website and IGAN. Nada.

As I stated previously, N2S2, TTR, and Groom have in the past used different security. N2S2 and the TTR, not being secret bases, disclose the contracts. Groom, being somewhat more secretive, does not.

The camo dudes rarely speak to anyone. If they speak, it isn't to answer questions.

Other than providing documents, I'll have to file your "fact" as unconfirmed. Feel free to prove me wrong.