Saratoga County TRS Official Thread

[chrismol1]

halfmoon was on the presentation along with spruce, mcgregor, providence, milton, clifton park, stillwater, lakeview, edinburg, hadley/lake luzerne. they're probably behind like the rest of the system

 

[Warthog1]

The Edinburg (Fraker Mtn) tower should be on these.
851.4125
852.6
852.85

Additional Talkgroups heard

114
3112
4111
4112 referred to as A-TAC
8110
8211

 

[DaveNF2G]

halfmoon was on the presentation along with spruce, mcgregor, providence, milton, clifton park, stillwater, lakeview, edinburg, hadley/lake luzerne. they're probably behind like the rest of the system

That would be 9 sites. There are only 6 sites on the license.

[EDIT]After Warthog reported additional frequencies and chrismol1 mentioned several additional sites, I took another swim through the FCC ULS. Saratoga County has a second license for 800 MHz trunking. Some frequencies and locations overlap between the two callsigns.

I will reconstruct the data to account for both licenses, try out some of the "new" frequencies, and report back here with corrections and additions to the previous update.

 

[Mtnrider]

Your a good man dave........Glad Greene County still uses tin cans and string.....Much easier

 

[Thunderknight]

I only see one tower ID (0101) no matter where I pick up the system, and the coverage I experience is consistent with only a single site operating in the northwestern part of the county.

If it's simulcast, multiple sites will appear with one ID.

See also

Simulcast digital distortion - The RadioReference Wiki

 

[DaveNF2G]

Round Two DING DING

Saratoga County P25 Exclusive Digital Simulcast Trunked System

System ID: 03CB
FCC Callsign: WQMA-390

Sites:
1 Spruce Mountain (T0101)
2 Mount McGregor (not heard yet)
3 Ballston Spa (not heard yet)
4 Barkersville (not heard yet)
5 Wesley Towers, Saratoga Springs (not heard yet)
6 Stillwater (not heard yet)

Trunking Channels:
851.1625 Control
851.5875 Alternate Control
851.6500 Alternate Control
851.9750 Alternate Control
852.1375 Voice & Data
852.2250 Voice & Data
852.2500 (not heard)
852.5500 Voice & Data
852.7750 Voice & Data
853.1125 Voice & Data
853.1375 (not heard)
853.4125 Voice & Data
853.5250 Voice & Data
853.7625 Voice & Data
853.7750 (not heard)

Additional Licensed Channels:
851.0125 National Interoperability
851.5125 National Interoperability
853.0125 National Interoperability

FCC Callsign: WQMA-469

Sites:
1 Halfmoon
2 Clifton Park (actually in Halfmoon)
3 Edinburg
4 Lakeview
5 Lake Luzerne
6 Hadley

Trunking Channels:
851.1625
851.2250 (not heard)
851.4125 (not heard)
851.5875
851.6500
851.9750
852.1375
852.2250
852.5500
852.6000 (not heard)
852.7750
852.8500 (not heard)
852.9375 (not heard)
853.1125
853.1375 (not heard)
853.4125
853.5250
853.7625
853.7750
853.8750 (not heard)

Additional Licensed Channels:
851.0125 National Interoperability
851.5125 National Interoperability
853.0125 National Interoperability
853.8625 mobile only
853.8875 mobile only
853.9125 mobile only
853.9875 mobile only


Talkgroups:
101 unknown
111 unknown
113 unknown
120 encrypted
511 Fire Dispatch
1111 Saratoga 9-1-1
1112 Saratoga County Sheriff F-1
1134 unknown
1135 unknown
1136 unknown
1511 encrypted
2111 unknown
2211 unknown
3111 Saratoga County Highway
3214 unknown


Most traffic on the dispatch talkgroups is from a single radio ID, which tells me that VHF is being simulcast and the mobile units are not actually transmitting on 800 MHz yet.

 

[jmv3085]

http://www.saratogacountyny.gov/upload/2010101816.pdf

Page 6 and 7 show the tower locations

 

[Thunderknight]

Saratoga County P25 Exclusive Digital Simulcast Trunked System

Sites:
1 Spruce Mountain (T0101)

How did you determine that this was the only site online and the others were not heard? Earlier you posted you had full decode in Providence which would seem to indicate the Barkersville site may be online.
If it's a simulcast system, multiple sites will show the same site id.

 

[chrismol1]

http://www.saratogacountyny.gov/upload/2010101816.pdf

Page 6 and 7 show the tower locations

that is the presentation i mentioned before. unfortunately the projected dates are a "little" off

 

[DaveNF2G]

I plotted the sites myself on Google Earth so I have site map that I know is as reliable as the FCC database. (grin)

I know that only one site is active in the northern end of the county because here in the southern end, where at least 3 sites should be much stronger, there is only the weak signal from that one site. As mentioned in a previous posting, I drove from my end of the county up into Providence and my observations along the way confirmed that I was getting closer to the one and only site that was transmitting.

I do have to admit, since delving into the license data again, that my original identification of the in-service site as Spruce might have been in error. Barkersville seems more likely. System site numbers do not always match the assigned site numbers on a license application.

I heard no simulcast distortion, either. There is only one signal.

 

[Dude111]

They swear they're going live with EMS and fire by the end of the month.

In my opinion all this stuff they are going to IS NOWHERE NEAR RELIABLE AS THE ANALOGUE STUFF THEY WERE USING!!

I think these communications should stay using THE BEST MODE THERE EVER WAS: Analogue!

 

[chrismol1]

the current system isnt exactly the image of a perfectly working one

 

[Warthog1]

Nothing will be 'perfect' considering the terrain, but if they just had to have that new digital system, a vhf trunked system would have been a better choice, or heck....even UHF. Motorola sure has a good sales staff to push that 800 MHz. I still think Motorola equipment is the best out there, but 800 MHz in this area is a bad idea. Easy to figure, though. Better coverage = more towers....more towers = more $$$$. Go Sales !!
The new system does sound good.....I must admit.

Sorry for my opinion pushing. Now it's time to get flamed by the scanner wizards.

back under my rock.

 

[Mtnrider]

That price for the PM400 is funny,I was just quoted a PM 400 45 watt 64 channel for 429.00 State Contract...and what is the 265.00 for ? Install and antenna i hope.....WOW

 

[62Truck]

That price for the PM400 is funny,I was just quoted a PM 400 45 watt 64 channel for 429.00 State Contract...and what is the 265.00 for ? Install and antenna i hope.....WOW

What does a PM400 have to do with the post? Last time I check, The PM400 is only available in VHF and UHF and does LTR and not P25. The radio cost that much with out the install.

 

[Mtnrider]

Click on link in post numba 47 and look at the equipt that was specked and picked Highlighted picked.....Last couple pages ...Thay are getting VHF redone as well....My comment was on pricing of the equipment

 

[Warthog1]

a THIRD & FOURTH talkgroup showed up with encryption this morning
65531 & 1135
TG's confirmed on 3 diffrent radios

 

[Warthog1]

As I typed the last post, encryption now on TG 120.........oh brother !!

 

[Weather88]

The county today is starting to simulcast 155.925 (Fire/EMS Dispatch) and the 800 system. They've been testing the paging with different departments all morning. Unfortunately, everything is coming in very distorted/garbled sounding on 155.925. Sometimes the tones aren't even going out.

 

[chrismol1]

The county today is starting to simulcast 155.925 (Fire/EMS Dispatch) and the 800 system. They've been testing the paging with different departments all morning. Unfortunately, everything is coming in very distorted/garbled sounding on 155.925. Sometimes the tones aren't even going out.

sounded like that on sheriffs channels a few times too