SAUA San antonio P25 Tallkgroups

[Dark_Side]

I Have a Pending Ticket But Here it Sits on Burner
I was wanted it to be in this weeks database o Well

If you see the pic
Yes its a Double Patch (Each System is Patched Different
EDACS PTCH VHF-154.2500 to TG-1345 BCFA DSP
P25 Patch BCFA DSP TG-39344 /BCFA DSP "Hailling TG-39814
*In All The Channel is (BCFA DSP)..........."

I Show the Pic to Prove a point undocumented Talk groups
I Am trying to make the system Look more like the EDACS in Database
Its a Copy By Nature Just Talk groups are Different


Harris Radio (Fleet)
38017 HARRIS RADIO 1 (Radio Services EDACS PTCH Gp#17)
38018 HARRIS RADIO 2 (Radio Services EDACS PTCH Gp#18)
38019 HARRIS RADIO 3 (Radio Services EDACS PTCH Gp#19)
38020 HARRIS RADIO 4 (Radio Services EDACS PTCH Gp#20)
38021 HARRIS RADIO 5 (Radio Services EDACS PTCH Gp#21)

San antonio Police System-1 Fleet
38256 SAPD AGENCY (SAPD AGENCY EDACS PTCH Gp#256)
38273 SAPD 1-A NORT (SAPD North Patrol EDACS PTCH Gp#273)
38274 SAPD 1-B OPEN (SAPD North Open EDACS PTCH Gp#274)
38275 SAPD 1-C WEST (SAPD West Patrol EDACS PTCH Gp#275)
38276 SAPD 1-D OPEN (SAPD West Open EDACS PTCH Gp#276)
38277 SAPD 1-E SOUT (SAPD South Patrol EDACS PTCH Gp#277)
38278 SAPD 1-F OPEN (SAPD South Open EDACS PTCH Gp#278)
38279 SAPD 1-G CENT (SAPD Central Patrol EDACS PTCH Gp#279)
38280 SAPD 1-H OPEN (SAPD Central Open EDACS PTCH Gp#280)
38281 SAPD 1-I EAST (SAPD East Patrol EDACS PTCH Gp#281)
38282 SAPD 1-J OPEN (SAPD East Open EDACS PTCH Gp#282)
38283 SAPD 1-K PRUE (SAPD Prue Patrol EDACS PTCH Gp#283)
38284 SAPD 1-L OPEN (SAPD Prue Open EDACS PTCH Gp#284)
38285 SAPD 1-M INFO (SAPD INFO EDACS PTCH Gp#285)
38286 SAPD 1-N TRU (SAPD INFO EDACS PTCH Gp#286)
38333 SAPD 1-O TRAFF(SAPD TRAFF EDACS PTCH Gp#333)

San antonio Police System-2 Fleet
38289 SAPD 2-A TCS1
38290 SAPD 2-B TCS2
38291 SAPD 2-C BIKE
39292 SAPD 2-D OPEN
38293 SAPD 2-E TAC1
38294 SAPD 2-F TAC2
38295 SAPD 2-G MTRO
38296 SAPD 2-H SPE1
38297 SAPD 2-I SPE2
38298 SAPD 2-J SPE3
38299 SAPD 2-K RAU
38300 SAPD 2-L TRANING

San antonio Police Dectives System-3 Fleet
38305 SAPD 3-A INTL
38306 SAPD 3-B VICE
38307 SAPD 3-C NARC
38308 SAPD 3-D ICE
38309 SAPD 3-E ROP
38310 SAPD 3-F OPEN CID
38311 SAPD 3-G SWAT
38312 SAPD 3-H HOM
38313 SAPD 3-I AUTO
38314 SAPD 3-J COSA
38315 SAPD 3-K OPEN
38316 SAPD 3-L OPEN
38317 SAPD 3-M ASET
38318 SAPD 3-N PDST
38319 SAPD 3-O RBY


San antonio Fire Fleet
38529 SAFD ALERT
38609 SAFD TAC 1
38610 SAFD TAC 2
38611 SAFD TAC 3
38612 SAFD TAC 4
38613 SAFD TAC 5
38614 SAFD TAC 6
38615 SAFD TAC 7
38616 SAFD TAC 8
38617 SAFD TAC 9
38618 SAFD TAC 10
38619 SAFD TAC 11
38620 SAFD TAC 12
38621 SAFD TAC 13
38622 SAFD TAC 14
38623 SAFD TAC 15
38532 SAFD TAC 16
38533 SAFD TAC 17
38534 SAFD TAC 18
38535 SAFD TAC 19
38536 SAFD TAC 20
38537 SAFD TAC 21
38538 SAFD TAC 22
38539 SAFD TAC 23
38540 SAFD TAC 24
38541 SAFD TAC 25
38625 SAFD D 1
38626 SAFD D 2
38627 SAFD D 3
38628 SAFD D 4
38629 SAFD D 5
38630 SAFD D 6
38631 SAFD D 7
38632 SAFD D 8

San antonio Fire Support Fleet
38545 SAFD SHOPS
38548 SAFD STN
38549 SAFD PREV
38553 SAFD ARSON
38555 SAFD HAZMAT
38559 SAFD TECHSERV
38563 SAFD MED CTRL
38564 SAFD AIR
38566 SAFD MED DIR

San antonio EMS to Hospital Fleet
38577 HOSP SAMMC
38578 HOSP DTB
38579 HOSP MST
38580 HOSP MCHLD
38581 HOSP UH
38582 HOSP METH *
38583 HOSP METRO
38584 HOSP NEB
38585 HOSP NIX
38586 HOSP MT BAPT
38587 HOSP SL
38588 HOSP SR
38589 HOSP CHOSA
38590 HOSP SRNW
38591 HOSP SWG
38593 HOSP VA
38594 HOSP NEM
38595 HOSP WH
38596 HOSP NCB
38597 HOSP NCBCH
38598 HOSP TXSAN
38600 HOSP MOC
38601 HOSP METH SO
38602 HOSP SR WOH
38603 HOSP METH QM


San antonio Aviation Fleet
38817 FAIA (Fleetwide)
38817 FAIA-FIRE
38818 FAIA-PD #
38819 AP 1C EMER #
38820 AP 1D OPS #
38821 AP 1E OPS
38822 AP 1F ADMIT#
38823 AP 1G GND TRANS #
38824 AP 1H INQ #
38825 AP 1I ALERT
38826 AP 1J SSF MAINT
38827 AP 1K OPS #
38828 AP 1L OPS #
38829 AP 1M TRF1 #
38830 AP 1N UNID
38831 AP 1O UNID

Bexar County Sheriffs Fleer
39024 CO AGENCY
39040 BCSO FLEET
39041 BCSO EAST (A&B)
39042 BCSO E OPN (A&B)
39043 BCSO WEST (C&D)
39044 BCSO W OPN (C&D)
39045 BCSO CNTRL
39046 BCSO C OPN
39047 BCSO INFO
39048 BCSO S OPS
39049 BCSO TAC 1 (A&B)
39050 BCSO TAC 2 (A&B)
39051 BCSO TAC 3 (C&D)
39052 BCSO TAC 4 (C&D)
39053 BCSO L ADM
39103 BCSO J SVC
39054 BCSO TRAFF


San antonio DPS Fleet
39065 DPS BASE
39066 DPS TAC
39067 DPS CID

Bexar County Fire Marshalls Fleet
39105 BCFM ADMIN
39106 BCFM INV
39107 BCFM INSP

Bexar County Area TaskForce
39152 TASKF-AGENCY
39153 TASKAUTO
39154 TASKNARC
39155 TASKWARR
39156 TASKHOST
39157 TASKSWAT
39158 TASKFC1
39159 TASKFC2
39160 TASKFC3
39161 TASKFC4
39162 TASKFC5
39163 TASKFC6
39164 TASKFC7
39165 TASKFC8
39166 TASKFC9
39167 TASKFC10

Bexar County Fire Alarm Fleet
39344 FLEET (BCFA)
39345 BCFA DSP TAC1
39346 BCFA ACC
39347 BCFA OPS TAC3
39348 BCFA FG1
39349 BCFA FG2
39350 BCFA FG3
39351 BCFA FG4
39352 BCFA FG5
39353 BCFA FG6
39356 BCFA AIR
39357 CO EMS
39358 BC MEDDR

Windcrest Fleet
39557 WINDCRST PD 1
39558 WINDCRST PD 2

Alamo Heights Fleet
39576 AH PD DSP 1
39577 AH PD TAC 2
39578 AH FD DSP 1
39579 AH FD MED 2

Castle Hills Fleet
39585 CH PD DSP 1
39586 CH PD TAC 2
39587 CH FD DSP 1

Shavano Park Fleet
39617 SP PD DISP 1
39618 SP PD TAC 2
39619 SP FD DISP

Kirby Fleet
39623 KB PD DISP1
39624 KB FD DISP1
39626 KB PD OPEN2

Via Buses Fleet
39638 VIA PD 1

Balcones Heights Fleet
39649 BCH PD DSP 1
39650 BCH PD TAC 2
39651 BCH FD DSP 1

Bexar Area Hailing Fleet
39808 FLEET-HAIL (Hail Fleet EDACS PTCH Gp#1808)
39809 PD CALL (PD CALL EDACS PTCH Gp#1809)
39810 FD CALL (FD CALL EDACS PTCH Gp#1810)
39811 SO CALL (SO CALL EDACS PTCH Gp#1811)
39812 PW CALL (PW CALL EDACS PTCH Gp#1812)
39813 900 CALL (900 CALL EDACS PTCH Gp#1813)
39814 BCFA DSP "Hail'(BCFA DSP 'HAIL' EDACS PTCH Gp#1814)
39815 BC EMS "Hail" (BC EMS 'HAIL' EDACS PTCH Gp#1815)
39816 VCALL10 (VCALL10 EDACS PTCH Gp#1816)
39817 VCALL1D (VCALL1D EDACS PTCH Gp#1817)
39818 AP CALL (KSAT Airport AP CALL EDACS PTCH Gp#1818)
39819 COMMON (COMMON EDACS PTCH Gp#1819)
39820 IH37 LNK (IH37 LNK EDACS PTCH Gp#1820)
39821 VIA CALL (VIA CALL EDACS PTCH Gp#1821)
39822 CPS CALL (CPS CALL EDACS PTCH Gp#1822)
39823 OA CALL (OA CALL EDACS PTCH Gp#1823)

Bexar Mutual Aid Fleet
39873 AID 1
39874 AID 2
39875 AID 3
39876 AID 4
39877 AID 5
39878 AID 6
39879 AID 7
39880 AID 8
39881 AID 9
39882 AID 10
39883 AID 11
39884 AID 12
39885 AID 13
39886 AID 14
39887 AID 15
39889 AID 16
39890 AID 17
39891 AID 18
39892 AID 19
39893 AID 20
39894 AID 21
39895 AID 22
39896 AID 23
39897 AID 24
39898 AID 25
39899 AID 26
39900 AID 27
39901 AID 28
39902 AID 29
39903 AID 30
39905 AID 31
39906 AID 32
39907 AID 33
39908 AID 34
39909 AID 35
39910 AID 36
39911 AID 37
39912 AID 38
39913 AID 39
39914 AID 40
39915 AID 41
39916 AID 42
39917 AID 43
39918 AID 44
39919 AID 45
39825 AID 46
39826 AID 47
39827 AID 48
39828 AID 49
39829 AID 50
39830 AID 51
39831 AID 52
39832 AID 53
39833 AID 54
39834 AID 55
39835 AID 56
39836 AID 57
39837 AID 58
39838 AID 59
39839 AID 60
39841 LC_SAC
39842 LC_SA_1
39843 LC_SA_2
39844 BEX_LAW
39845 BEX_FIRE
39846 BEX_COMM

Live Oak Fleet
40056 LIVE OAK PD

Patches On System
65024 PTCH #65024
65029 PTCH #65029
65030 PTCH #65030
65032 PTCH #65032
65033 PTCH #65033
65036 PTCH #65036
65037 PTCH #65037
65038 PTCH #65038
65039 PTCH #65039
65043 PTCH #65043
65046 PTCH #65046
65048 PTCH #65048
65052 PTCH #65052
65059 PTCH #65059
65061 PTCH #65061
65064 PTCH #65064
65066 PTCH #65066
65069 PTCH #65069
65074 PTCH #65074
65076 PTCH #65076
65078 PTCH #65078
65080 PTCH #65080
65081 PTCH #65081
65082 PTCH #65082
65084 PTCH #65084
65086 PTCH #65086
65087 PTCH #65087
65090 PTCH #65090
65091 PTCH #65091
65092 PTCH #65092
65093 PTCH #65093
65109 PTCH #65109
65112 PTCH #65112
65114 PTCH #65114
65116 PTCH #65116

 

[Dark_Side]

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[rattlerbb01]

I have the submission but it is very large as you know. I will work it as soon as I can. We are all volunteers after all. Thanks for the nice addition regardless. Just to confirm, the talkgroup patches only work when a radio on the P25 side affiliates, correct?

 

[rattlerbb01]

Updated. Only thing that you will notice is that we try to avoid all caps-style radio tags going forward as we are trying to make the alpha tags understandable for all levels of scanner users. Example: FD TA 1 would be Fire Talkaround1 or at least Fire Talk 1.

Also, Dark_Side, since you have such good info on the system, I wanted to know specifically are all these talkgroups standalone unless patched to EDACS/VHF by a console? I usually only hear the SAPD ones intermittently. Is there something else, like an automatic patch if a radio is affiliated to the TG on the P25 side?

 

[tkowalik]

I've been hearing BCSO, BCFA, and SAPD pretty active on the SAUA system. Nothing from SAFD. The SAUA system is very clear compared to the Provoice out in East Bexar.

Do either of you know what system is being planned to replace the current Provoice or if it is going to be something that can be scanned?

 

[NC5267]

A Phase 2 P25 system is planned to be in use by the end of 2020 if I remember.


And Yes a P25 affilited radio has to be on one of these talk groups for it to show up on the SAUA system.

 

[rattlerbb01]

A Phase 2 P25 system is planned to be in use by the end of 2020 if I remember.


And Yes a P25 affilited radio has to be on one of these talk groups for it to show up on the SAUA system.

I was more specifically wondering if the P25 side is permanently bridged to the EDACS side just waiting for a radio to affiliate and carry traffic, or if a dispatcher has to initiate the patch. Since it is for interoperability I would assume a radio user can just turn on his or her radio and go, but since many of the CID groups are linked, it may not be the case across the board

 

[NC5267]

From what I was told by a radio tech awhile back that some channels mainly dispatch channels are bridged just waiting for a APX radio to land on them (with DPS as the main agency that has access to the system). As for the others such as the Fire stuff and other agencies he never got into that. As for the PD CID channels I have personally never heard them on the SAUA system. Access to those channels on the EDACS side is very limited to agencies outside of SAPD, some DPS and some Federal task force guys have access as well as some county investigators. So I don't know if someone has heard all of those channels on the SAUA system.

On another note about the system when I have a scanner on an SAUA system takgroup and a Harris XG-75 on a the same channel the P25 system talkgroup will skip some traffic then show back up and drop off completely. So it really has to do with who is on the on the P25 side and if they like to switch back and forth between channels.

 

[rattlerbb01]

That more or less makes sense and jives with what I was thinking. I have heard Immigration, Narc and ROPE personally from the Zarzamora tower near my office so I suspect someone federal or state or a member of the task forces does have P25 access if needed to keep in contact. Still somewhat surprised that much of their traffic is in the clear but with phase 2 not far down the road we had better enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[NC5267]

PD has 16 encrypted channels and they do use them from time to time. Depends on the operation so they can disappear if they want. Same with using PTT apps on their phones.