Scanner Tales: Is that a cordless phone or a high-power repeater usurper?

Now for something a little different with Scanner Tales: Short one-off stories about specific events. Enjoy!

I got a call from a friend who was at the time the Village President of a small town next to the one I was a police officer in. As a Ham and the trustee of one of the larger ham repeater clubs in the area he and I often had a lot to discuss. One day he called me and asked for help tracking down a transmitter of some sort that was blasting away on the input to one of their repeaters and causing all kinds of havoc. He was able to pinpoint the location of the transmitter to an area on the west side of my town.

I met him in the area and as all I had with me at the time was a PRO43 scanner and all he had was his 440 band handheld we had to improvise a bit. We drove around the area until we were able to hear the transmitter on his handheld. We figured it was slightly off-frequency for his repeater input but strong and close enough to interfere with it. We could hear voices but could not make out what was being said. Was it a different language, distorted by being off-freq or both?

Next we tuned my PRO43 to the same frequency and were able to hear it. We then removed the antenna off the scanner and drove around to where we could hear it without the antenna connected. It turned out to be right in front of a large home. We were pretty sure that this was the source.

We knocked on the door and the resident opened the door. We explained we were trying to locate the source of some radio interference. The lady was Asian and spoke very broken English. I assured her they were not in trouble and we were not there as the police, but just to figure out what was interfering with the radio system. She called her maid, who was bilingual and then they invited us in to try to find the source. Just then it stopped. She called upstairs to her daughter, who came down carrying a cordless phone of a type I had never seen before. We asked her to make a call and as soon as she pressed the button on the phone the noise came up.

They showed us the phone, it turned out to be a Chinese model they brought back from China a month or two before, about the same time the interference had started. We looked at it and from what we could figure out, it transmitted 10-15 watts on 448.31275 (I could be wrong on the freq, it was 40 years or so ago…). We told her that it actually was not allowed to be used in the USA as it was not type accepted and on frequencies not allowed for cordless phones as well as at too high a power level. They agreed to dispose of the phone and we never heard it again. We thanked them and took our leave.
 

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Yep, remember them well. Bell system.
Those were the days with the mobile operators. I heard a man call his wife and tell her that he was working late. Then. he immediately called another woman and told her, "Sweetheart, I am on my way!" I could have made some money. They gave the phone numbers to the mobile operator. All I needed was a crisscross directory and recorder.
 

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Those were the days with the mobile operators. I heard a man call his wife and tell her that he was working late. Then. he immediately called another woman and told her, "Sweetheart, I am on my way!" I could have made some money. They gave the phone numbers to the mobile operator. All I needed was a crisscross directory and recorder.
The marine band telephone operators were fun to monitor also. A lot of activity in the NYC area, not surprisingly. Never heard anything really crazy,but obviously boaters knew they were going over a radio and had no expectation of privacy. Were users of these 152mhz radio telephones made aware that their calls could be monitored?
 

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With the right conditions, who knows how far that signal may have ultimately traveled!
I remember in MT or PopComm they said the record was like 2100 miles or something crazy like that. I had a map taped to my wall next to my radios and I put a mark whenever I heard someone order pizza and give them an address that I could understand. My record was about 17 miles I think it was. I was in the South end of Toledo/Maumee, and I heard a girl order pizza way out east of me. I decided to verify the location and call the number to verify where it was, "Oops. wrong number!", and then call my friend who had a copy of the reverse directory and verify the name and address. They ate a lot of pizza at that house.
 

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While I don't eat pizza, I'm a lifelong tomato/cheese and a whole bunch of other stuff hater, I have an "iron gut" and can eat anything I want, such as a dozen White Castle sliders, and a load of fries without even getting gassy. If I really want to take a time out from eating for 14-16 hours, nothing puts my gut to sleep better than Long John Silver's. a half dozen shrimp, 3 pieces of fish, the 2 hush puppies, and a fries will keep me from even being slightly hungry for at least 12 hours minimum. I have a lot of friends who eat a fish sandwich and they cry about heartburn or worse. One guy constantly has terrible heartburn, but seems to not understand if he takes some Tums before he eats he can minimize it. The only thing that gives me heartburn is to eat a banana and then lie down. Not fun at all.

My tomato hating goes back to when I was a baby. My mom used to make me spaghetti and I would spit it out, yell "NOOOO!", send the cup with it in it flying, and refuse to open my mouth, push it away, etc. She just couldn't understand that I hated it. One day, she put the plain noodles in a cup, got a phone call, and when she turned around, I was shoving the plain spaghetti into my mouth. "Oh, it's the sauce he doesn't like!" duh. At almost 69 years old, I have never, ever, swallowed a single bite of pizza, or anything else with tomato in it, since mom had her moment of clarity. I've had it in my mouth, but it's just disgusting. My list of hated food is a long one. Then there is the stuff I just don't know why anyone would want to eat it. But I don't hate it, poultry is one of those. Between those two lists, it's a lot of stuff I won't eat.
 

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While I don't eat pizza, I'm a lifelong tomato/cheese and a whole bunch of other stuff hater, I have an "iron gut" and can eat anything I want, such as a dozen White Castle sliders, and a load of fries without even getting gassy. If I really want to take a time out from eating for 14-16 hours, nothing puts my gut to sleep better than Long John Silver's. a half dozen shrimp, 3 pieces of fish, the 2 hush puppies, and a fries will keep me from even being slightly hungry for at least 12 hours minimum. I have a lot of friends who eat a fish sandwich and they cry about heartburn or worse. One guy constantly has terrible heartburn, but seems to not understand if he takes some Tums before he eats he can minimize it. The only thing that gives me heartburn is to eat a banana and then lie down. Not fun at all.

My tomato hating goes back to when I was a baby. My mom used to make me spaghetti and I would spit it out, yell "NOOOO!", send the cup with it in it flying, and refuse to open my mouth, push it away, etc. She just couldn't understand that I hated it. One day, she put the plain noodles in a cup, got a phone call, and when she turned around, I was shoving the plain spaghetti into my mouth. "Oh, it's the sauce he doesn't like!" duh. At almost 69 years old, I have never, ever, swallowed a single bite of pizza, or anything else with tomato in it, since mom had her moment of clarity. I've had it in my mouth, but it's just disgusting. My list of hated food is a long one. Then there is the stuff I just don't know why anyone would want to eat it. But I don't hate it, poultry is one of those. Between those two lists, it's a lot of stuff I won't eat.
Is this even related to cordless phones and high-power repeater usurper?
 

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Back in the 90's. I noticed a Spanish speaker showing up on the med channels mobile side. It seemed like they were talking on a cordless but I never found the other base? frequency, it seemed to drift from night to night. But only among the 468.0-468.175. After a while it disappeared.
 

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Imagine the coverage you would get with the phone featured in the story, especially if it were hooked to an external antenna mounted up high. Maybe it even has potential as a 440 repeater. ;)
When I lived on a farm. I attached my cordless fone to the Realistic 3 band scanner antenna. No neighbors within a couple of miles. I could be on the north end of the farm and make calls.
 

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When I lived on a farm. I attached my cordless fone to the Realistic 3 band scanner antenna. No neighbors within a couple of miles. I could be on the north end of the farm and make calls.
Nice! Wonder how far the signal from your phone actually traveled.
 

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This wasn't uncommon a while back.

There were some of these "cordless phones" that were being sold that worked in the 2 meter band and ran something around 40 watts. There were small businesses blasting their phone calls all over entire cities with these systems.
Yes the Senao/Alcon phones were really popular across asia and brazil. Found a couple in the USA as well. You can get them up to 50 watts and in a mobile car phone configuration to your home base as well. Duplexed between the 250 and 380 MHz range.

I had one when I lived in Japan 5 watt flat cordless base with a UHF connector on the side that had a swivel antenna attached to it and a 3 watt handheld that came with a 9 inch extended whip. It covered the entire apartment tower through that thick typhoon resistant concrete and I could walk downtown to the store or park to hangout and still get a connection. I bet JIG's suspect probably just switched it to a different channel and kept using it 😂
 

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I was the one who accompanied Rich on that interference “fox hunt” and I remember it well. I have to admit it was a fun adventure and our success in finding that interference source was truly a godsend. It was really tearing up the receiver of my club’s repeater that was located not very far away.

I’m sorry I completely missed this thread earlier.

73, Don
 

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I would love to have had that Alcon phone back when I was walking my dogs, I missed a lot of calls on those long walks.
 

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I would love to have had that Alcon phone back when I was walking my dogs, I missed a lot of calls on those long walks.
Yeah I always loved the idea of having a landline connection extended out like that, same with autopatch repeaters. Shame most actual PTSN infrastructure has been abandoned now. Now I just keep an original Inmarsat phone on me.
 

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A repeater could use Ooma I suppose. The Engenius phones will go a long way and use TDMA.
 
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