Scanner Tales: Is that a cordless phone or a high-power repeater usurper?

Now for something a little different with Scanner Tales: Short one-off stories about specific events. Enjoy!

I got a call from a friend who was at the time the Village President of a small town next to the one I was a police officer in. As a Ham and the trustee of one of the larger ham repeater clubs in the area he and I often had a lot to discuss. One day he called me and asked for help tracking down a transmitter of some sort that was blasting away on the input to one of their repeaters and causing all kinds of havoc. He was able to pinpoint the location of the transmitter to an area on the west side of my town.

I met him in the area and as all I had with me at the time was a PRO43 scanner and all he had was his 440 band handheld we had to improvise a bit. We drove around the area until we were able to hear the transmitter on his handheld. We figured it was slightly off-frequency for his repeater input but strong and close enough to interfere with it. We could hear voices but could not make out what was being said. Was it a different language, distorted by being off-freq or both?

Next we tuned my PRO43 to the same frequency and were able to hear it. We then removed the antenna off the scanner and drove around to where we could hear it without the antenna connected. It turned out to be right in front of a large home. We were pretty sure that this was the source.

We knocked on the door and the resident opened the door. We explained we were trying to locate the source of some radio interference. The lady was Asian and spoke very broken English. I assured her they were not in trouble and we were not there as the police, but just to figure out what was interfering with the radio system. She called her maid, who was bilingual and then they invited us in to try to find the source. Just then it stopped. She called upstairs to her daughter, who came down carrying a cordless phone of a type I had never seen before. We asked her to make a call and as soon as she pressed the button on the phone the noise came up.

They showed us the phone, it turned out to be a Chinese model they brought back from China a month or two before, about the same time the interference had started. We looked at it and from what we could figure out, it transmitted 10-15 watts on 448.31275 (I could be wrong on the freq, it was 40 years or so ago…). We told her that it actually was not allowed to be used in the USA as it was not type accepted and on frequencies not allowed for cordless phones as well as at too high a power level. They agreed to dispose of the phone and we never heard it again. We thanked them and took our leave.
 

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A repeater could use Ooma I suppose. The Engenius phones will go a long way and use TDMA.
These are 900MHz cordless phones. Their website claims up to 3,000 acres coverage in an open area, which is almost 4.7 sq miles. Do these meet Part 15 requirements?
 

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Which model?
I looked at a couple on https://www.engeniustech.com It says FCC and IC certification but no FCC IDs given.
Spec says 902-928 MHz, frequency hopping TDMA, MSK modulation, base and handset power output varies from 20 dBm to 27 dBm (100 mW to 501 mW)
I honestly did not look that closely at the models. However, there was one with a claimed range of 10 acres and another with a range of 3,000 acres. At those power levels, they probably do meet Part 15. 100mW certainly would.

I think the old 46MHz cordless phones put out 100mW, as did the 49MHz HT's which shared the same channels as the cordless handsets and baby monitors.
 

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I honestly did not look that closely at the models. However, there was one with a claimed range of 10 acres and another with a range of 3,000 acres. At those power levels, they probably do meet Part 15. 100mW certainly would.

I think the old 46MHz cordless phones put out 100mW, as did the 49MHz HT's which shared the same channels as the cordless handsets and baby monitors.
I have an older 1x that puts out 800mW. I got it with the extra antenna set. 30feet of LMR400 and 6DBI antenna for the base and a 6 inch HT like antenna for the handset. The roof antenna is in storage after moving and I just have the base duct taped to the ceiling with it's back of set antenna, still works great around the neighborhood and surrounding area but I don't have the around town coverage anymore like I used to but it still works great.
 

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I have an older 1x that puts out 800mW. I got it with the extra antenna set. 30feet of LMR400 and 6DBI antenna for the base and a 6 inch HT like antenna for the handset. The roof antenna is in storage after moving and I just have the base duct taped to the ceiling with it's back of set antenna, still works great around the neighborhood and surrounding area but I don't have the around town coverage anymore like I used to but it still works great.
Impressive results. The majority of people won't go so far as to install an outdoor antenna. Still, the coverage sounds decent enough with just the built-in antenna.
 

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I honestly did not look that closely at the models. However, there was one with a claimed range of 10 acres and another with a range of 3,000 acres. At those power levels, they probably do meet Part 15. 100mW certainly would.

I think the old 46MHz cordless phones put out 100mW, as did the 49MHz HT's which shared the same channels as the cordless handsets and baby monitors.
I got an Engenius phone when in the USAF... we were having trouble communicating about maintenance stuff with people that didn't listen to radios (at least OUR radios) dillegently. I got it with a small discone that I was able to mount on top of a building in the middle of the airfield so that we ( I ) could call any of the users of the equipment that we were working on, to make sure everything was correct. Specifically an airbases windsets and transmissometers.

We needed to make sure that everyone was getting the same readings (ATC tower, RAPCON, and weather station). It was WAY better than the alternatives at the time (no repeater for us).
 

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This wasn't uncommon a while back.

There were some of these "cordless phones" that were being sold that worked in the 2 meter band and ran something around 40 watts. There were small businesses blasting their phone calls all over entire cities with these systems.
Back in the mid-60s, I was selling racing slicks in Wichita. I was trying to use CB as a means of communications. That was like nailing Jello to a tree. I went to a local 2-way radio business, as they called it then, and got one of those "cordless phones." It worked well but it was almost as bad as CB because everyone knew your business. That didn't last long either because I was about to get drafted so I joined the Air Force. Sixty years later and I'm still using a cordless phone, of sorts.
 
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