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[werinshades]

I may have to start over, once a system is set at a system type, you can’t change it in edit favorites list.

Can you Copy it and then Edit like I posted?

 

[Highpockets]

Can you Copy it and then Edit like I posted?

No, I’ll have to start over… but, in NJ the NJICS system says it’s P25 phase 2 that’s what confused me, so I entered it as a phase two tdma system.

 

[werinshades]

No, I’ll have to start over… but, in NJ the NJICS system says it’s P25 phase 2 that’s what confused me, so I entered it as a phase two tdma system.

Ok, glad you figured it all out.

 

[Highpockets]

Can you Copy it and then Edit like I posted?

I looked at the sentinel that I used for the homepatrol, I imported that favorites list from there into the new sentinel for the sds200 and it was set as a P25 phase 2 tdma system in home patrol sentinel and that file worked out on my home patrol. I’ll just start over and enter them again and use P25 system, but strange it’s a phase two system and there’s a choice for that but you have to use P25 system, but why not phase two tdma that it says the system is. I’ll start over…

 

[jtwalker]

What is strange is that this worked on HP2. P25 X2-TDMA is not P25 phase II.

There is no difference in how you set up a P25 phase I and a P25 phase II in x36 Sentinel. Maybe there was a difference in HP Sentinel? Or maybe it just didn't care.

P25 X2-TDMA is the older technology.

 

[tvengr]

Think I may have found problem, but it confuses me. If I import the state police the system type although it’s a phase 2 that I use when doing by hand and it imports it as a P 25 system, when I enter by hand. I’m calling it P25 X2 TDMA.

Is the System Type set to P25 Trunk? If set to Motorola or P25 X2-TDMA, Site NAC will not be available.

In my previous post #10, I suspected that you may have entered the System Type as Motorola or P25 X2-TDMA. P25 X2-TDMA systems are dinosaurs. I doubt that there are any left. P25 X2-TDMA was the Motorola implementation of TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access) before the P25 Phase 2 standard was finalized. P25 Standard (P25 Trunk in Sentinel) covers both P25 Phase 1 and P25 Phase 2.

 

[Highpockets]

In my previous post #10, I suspected that you may have entered the System Type as Motorola or P25 X2-TDMA. P25 X2-TDMA systems are dinosaurs. I doubt that there are any left. P25 X2-TDMA was the Motorola implementation of TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access) before the P25 Phase 2 standard was finalized. P25 Standard (P25 Trunk in Sentinel) covers both P25 Phase 1 and P25 Phase 2.

Yeah, that helps, why don’t the database change the system type to P25 Trunk So it won’t confuse a user like me. Yet it imports it as a P25 Trunk, but if you look at that system in the database it says it’s a P25 phase 2 system… what do I know I’m only one of over a million coming to RR. Lol

 

[jtwalker]

Yeah, that helps, why don’t the database change the system type to P25 Trunk So it won’t confuse a user like me. Yet it imports it as a P25 Trunk, but if you look at that system in the database it says it’s a P25 phase 2 system… what do I know I’m only one of over a million coming to RR. Lol

Nowhere in RR database does it say NJICS is "P25 X2-TDMA". You just ass-u-me-d that this meant phase II.

Personally I think you'd be much better off importing from the RR database and pruning/tweaking/avoiding what you wish instead of creating this system by hand.

 

[tvengr]

Yeah, that helps, why don’t the database change the system type to P25 Trunk

How long ago did you program your HP2? The system may have been P25 X2-TDMA at the time. If you export the favorites list file, it will still be P25 X2-TDMA. I believe that that the system will work as either P25 X2-TDMA or P25 Trunk. If P25 X2-TDMA, site NAC will not be available.

 

[Highpockets]

Nowhere in RR database does it say NJICS is "P25 X2-TDMA". You just ass-u-me-d that this meant phase II.

Personally I think you'd be much better off importing from the RR database and pruning/tweaking/avoiding what you wish instead of creating this system by hand.

It just says P25 Phase 2 as system type. If I import it takes me very long to change all the talk group names, department names, etc. example, on the Turnpike system, the yards were changed, I worked on the GSP and they now call the yards different numbers, I know the yards the way I remember them, easier for me to follow. Same with state police, toll roads has 3 comm west, I know it as Holmdel section of the parkway, easier for me to follow, I know the Holmdel area but who knows who’s in 3 comm west. Sound crazy but I know certain areas in jersey by what I know them not as RR labled them. Hope you understand what I’m trying to say.

Thanks for all you help, I’m working on it… entering them over by hand.

 

[tvengr]

Give this favorites list file a try. Save the attached zipped file to your computer and extract. Go to the File tab in Sentinel and click on Import from hpe file (Favorites List). Click on New Favorites List and name it: Ocean Co NJ Click on OK. In the Downloads folder, open the extracted file (Ocean Co NJ.hpe). It will appear as a favorites list in Sentinel.

 

[Highpockets]

Give this favorites list file a try. Save the attached zipped file to your computer and extract. Go to the File tab in Sentinel and click on Import from hpe file (Favorites List). Click on New Favorites List and name it: Ocean Co NJ Click on OK. In the Downloads folder, open the extracted file (Ocean Co NJ.hpe). It will appear as a favorites list in Sentinel.

Thank you for the file, it gave me some ideas… I’m about 75% done putting it in by hand and the way I want it and the NAC function is ok now… I changed a few burnt out lightbulbs in my head that were slowing me down, senior moments…

 

[hiegtx]

Just tried that area to enter NAC is still gray, can’t do anything. If I import from RR it’s not gray anymore, but I’ll be editing for days to change the structure of what’s imported to the way I like it to show up on the scanner. Crazy…

Take NJ State Police, they may have 18 departments, I only listen to say 6, so I have to delete the other departments I don’t listen to, and some departments have 30 talk groups, I only listen to say 12 of those, more deleting, and the way I enter them is much easier for me to understand when I see it on the screen. I’ll keep fooling…

Example, toll roads, import it says, 3 comm West, I like it to say Holmdel Area… 2 Comm East, I may like Bass River Area.

My internet was down, waiting for a new modem, so I did not chip in on this earlier.

For the systems that were in your HP-2s Favorites list, exported from the HP-1/-2 version of Sentinel and imported into Sentinel for the SDS200, the problem is due to the way many P25 Phase II systems are tagged in the HP-1/2 Sentinel database. I'd pointed this out in one of JoeBearcat's thread some time back, but the issue never got corrected.

When P25 Phase II was just coming into play, many of the systems were tagged as P25 X2-TDMA. As the Phase II systems became more common, these were updated in the RadioReference database to Project 25 Phase II. In the Sentinel database, for the x36HP & SDS series scanners, the tag is simply P25 Trunk. When creating a new system manually, you can select P25 Trunk, though Sentinel retains the P25 X2-TDMA tag as a choice.

However, in Sentinel for the original HP scanners. the system type in the database (for P25 Phase II systems) remains P25 X2-TDMA. When creating a system manually, in that version of Sentinel, you can select P25 Standard, or P25 X2-TDMA. But in the database (even with the most current database version), these Phase II systems are still flagged as P25 X2-TDMA. Here's a sample from Collin County, which borders Dallas County on the north side.


When imported into Sentinel for the x36HP & SDS series scanners, those systems will scan correctly, but since they are tagged as P25 X2-TDMA, the field for setting a Site NAC is not accessible. As you cannot edit a system type in Sentinel, you cannot correct this so that a site NAC entry can be added. However, ProScan does allow you to change the system type to P25 Trunk. Once you modify the system, via ProScan, to P25 Trunk, then the Site NAC field is accessible once you save the changes.

 

[Highpockets]

My internet was down, waiting for a new modem, so I did not chip in on this earlier.

For the systems that were in your HP-2s Favorites list, exported from the HP-1/-2 version of Sentinel and imported into Sentinel for the SDS200, the problem is due to the way many P25 Phase II systems are tagged in the HP-1/2 Sentinel database. I'd pointed this out in one of JoeBearcat's thread some time back, but the issue never got corrected.

When P25 Phase II was just coming into play, many of the systems were tagged as P25 X2-TDMA. As the Phase II systems became more common, these were updated in the RadioReference database to Project 25 Phase II. In the Sentinel database, for the x36HP & SDS series scanners, the tag is simply P25 Trunk. When creating a new system manually, you can select P25 Trunk, though Sentinel retains the P25 X2-TDMA tag as a choice.

However, in Sentinel for the original HP scanners. the system type in the database (for P25 Phase II systems) remains P25 X2-TDMA. When creating a system manually, in that version of Sentinel, you can select P25 Standard, or P25 X2-TDMA. But in the database (even with the most current database version), these Phase II systems are still flagged as P25 X2-TDMA. Here's a sample from Collin County, which borders Dallas County on the north side.
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When imported into Sentinel for the x36HP & SDS series scanners, those systems will scan correctly, but since they are tagged as P25 X2-TDMA, the field for setting a Site NAC is not accessible. As you cannot edit a system type in Sentinel, you cannot correct this so that a site NAC entry can be added. However, ProScan does allow you to change the system type to P25 Trunk. Once you modify the system, via ProScan, to P25 Trunk, then the Site NAC field is accessible once you save the changes.

Excellent reply… years ago when I was very active I helped many with the Win500 myself and a friend from Utah put together the information on the Utah WikI in guide form. It’s still there for users to get help if they still use Win 500 to setup their scanners.

I appreciate all the replies I received and take from each what gives me the guidance required to get back into the hobby. I should receive my sds200 by Friday. This will be my last purchase, at 77 in April this should hold me until I let’s say retire to a better place.

Once again, thank you to all for your help, I’m sure I’ll be back with more questions after I unpack the sds200…

 

[tvengr]

I’m sure I’ll be back with more questions after I unpack the sds200…

I'm sure you will. We're here to help!

 

[hiegtx]

… years ago when I was very active I helped many with the Win500 myself and a friend from Utah put together the information on the Utah WikI in guide form. It’s still there for users to get help if they still use Win 500 to setup their scanners.

i still refer others with questions regarding Win500 to that legacy webpage.

 

[Ubbe]

since they are tagged as P25 X2-TDMA, the field for setting a Site NAC is not accessible. As you cannot edit a system type in Sentinel, you cannot correct this so that a site NAC entry can be added.

If you go to Your Documents in your PC and then to the Uniden folder and BCDx36HP folder and finally to the FavoriteLists folder you can edit it manually.

Look in the f_list.cfg using Notepad or similar text editor and look for the row with the name of your favorite list and the f_0000 number following it. Exit the file and then edit that f_0000 hpd file using Notepad and do a search&replace of "X2_TDMA" to "Standard". Then it will show up as a standard P25 system in Sentinel where NAC can be edited.

/Ubbe

 

[Highpockets]

If you go to Your Documents in your PC and then to the Uniden folder and BCDx36HP folder and finally to the FavoriteLists folder you can edit it manually.

Look in the f_list.cfg using Notepad or similar text editor and look for the row with the name of your favorite list and the f_0000 number following it. Exit the file and then edit that f_0000 hpd file using Notepad and do a search&replace of "X2_TDMA" to "Standard". Then it will show up as a standard P25 system in Sentinel where NAC can be edited.

/Ubbe

Thanks for the info, I’ll put it in my notes…

 

[Highpockets]

i still refer others with questions regarding Win500 to that legacy webpage.

I’m glad it still helps after all these years…

I received my sds200 today, updated the firmware and uploaded my favorites list, scanning away, I think I’m going to like this scanner.

I just have to figure out how to turn systems on/off while it’s scanning, I’m just using system keys, 8 systems.

To all that helped, I appreciate it…

 

[Highpockets]

One more quick question, if you scanning and it stops on a channel and you want to scan instead of waiting for the Communication to stop, with no scan button how do you make it scan without waiting.