SDS100 Buyer Beware

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Ubbe

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It would be appreciated if I got an informed opinion rather than all of this emotional BS.
You can even get the facts. I did some measurements on a SDS100 so that you know what you are getting into. If you are on the move and want a scanner then there are little choises other than a SDS scanner. You have to put up with all the interferencies and other quirks though.


If you monitor from home you could get several $10 SDR dongles, they use the same technique as the SDS scanners to defeat the simulcast problem. Use a "normal" scanner to monitor all non-simulcast systems.

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SDS100 is a good radio if you can find one available, the SDS radios are the only consumer scanners that are successful with simulcast Distortion secondary to LSM. They work great on simulcast systems while other radios will have difficulties.

There have been some quality control issues with a series of specific problems. For the most part the radios are trouble free and work good.

If your area is converting over to a phase 2 simulcast tdma system this is the must have radio.

I think a lot of complaints and anger has been user related but when the knob falls off, the knob falls off.

It can be a pretty steep learning curve but if you've already owned the x36 you will be able to take it right out of the box and program it in Sentinel and you won't be disappointed.

Again it takes work. You have to learn how to use the filters properly and discover the differences between the SDS radios and the X36s.
 

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Wow. Trying to follow all of these threads. Having owned BCD996, BCD396, BCD296 and now a new BCD530HP- i'm trying to figure out who is the bad guy in all of these threads. Looking to purchase a handheld-as in SDS100, to replace the BCD396XT that I just sold. Doers anybody on this thread recommend or not. Simple question. It would be appreciated if I got an informed opinion rather than all of this emotional BS.
If one or more systems that you monitor have simulcast sites, then the SDS100 is the scanner to use. The Unication pagers (such as the G5) also handle simulcast very well, but they are not scanners. On the G5, for example, while you can program more than one system, you can only monitor one at a time. Whereas, with the SDS series scanners, you can program multiple systems, then monitor all of them, some of them, or only one at a time. While there have been some complaints that are definitely valid, such as the bad solder joints affecting reception, overall, the scanner works well. At least some of the complaints really boil down to user inexperience and error. Someone gets the scanner, pulls it out of the box, and expects everything to work perfectly, with no effort on their part, even though they have not even peeked at the manual (online, or the one that comes with the scanner). Many of these issues can be avoided, or at least solved, by correctly programming the scanner and making use of the features available. For certain systems, which are problematic, tweaking the filters can make all the difference in the world.

As you have a 536HP, you'd be familiar with how the SDS scanners are programmed. You can take a Favorites list that you currently use, and use that on the SDS100 or SDS200. Both the x36HP and SDS series scanners use the same version of Sentinel.

If you do not have simulcast systems in your area, and you do not travel often, with your scanner, to other areas with simulcast systems, then the 436HP might be the a good alternate, which costs less than it's SDS series sibling. I have the two x36HP scanners (436HP & 536HP), as well as both SDS scanners (SDS100 & SDS200). While I do not currently have simulcast problems at home, I have taken the SDS100, 436HP, 325P2, and TRX-1 to local areas where simulcast is prevalent. The SDS100 had no troubles with those systems. The 436HP was getting maybe 70 to 80% of what the SDS handled. The 325P2 was maybe 50 to 60% (of the SDS100), with the TRX-1 at the bottom of the pack.
 

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Wow. Trying to follow all of these threads. Having owned BCD996, BCD396, BCD296 and now a new BCD530HP- i'm trying to figure out who is the bad guy in all of these threads. Looking to purchase a handheld-as in SDS100, to replace the BCD396XT that I just sold. Doers anybody on this thread recommend or not. Simple question. It would be appreciated if I got an informed opinion rather than all of this emotional BS.

I'm listening to mine right now. I got one of the original batch (with the small battery) when it first came out. I love it.

As others have said, if you are trying to listen to a P25 Phase II simulcast system, it's either an SDS scanner or a Unification pager. On the other hand, if your local area (and listening interest) is analog or P25 conventional, then there are lots of other great (and cheaper) alternatives. If you tell us where you are located we can make a recommendation based on that information.

There are definitely folks who have had issues with their SDS100 or SDS200. I won't dispute that. But the truth is that someone who is unhappy about a product is much more likely to be vocal about it than someone who is satisfied. That's how it is in the real world and seems to be even more the case on the Internet. So don't let a few bad experiences scare you away from a good product.
 

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Wow. Trying to follow all of these threads. Having owned BCD996, BCD396, BCD296 and now a new BCD530HP- i'm trying to figure out who is the bad guy in all of these threads. Looking to purchase a handheld-as in SDS100, to replace the BCD396XT that I just sold. Doers anybody on this thread recommend or not. Simple question. It would be appreciated if I got an informed opinion rather than all of this emotional BS.
What is a BCD530HP?
 

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Wow. Trying to follow all of these threads. Having owned BCD996, BCD396, BCD296 and now a new BCD530HP- i'm trying to figure out who is the bad guy in all of these threads. Looking to purchase a handheld-as in SDS100, to replace the BCD396XT that I just sold. Doers anybody on this thread recommend or not. Simple question. It would be appreciated if I got an informed opinion rather than all of this emotional BS.

Yes, I recommend.
Affirmative, yep, rodger,14.
Hope that was unemotional enough.
 

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UPDATE: Five calls later as of yesterday afternoon and here is where it stands: customer service confirmed that as of yesterday afternoon, Corporate offered to send me a replacement knob, which I could then solder on myself, but if I chose to do that, it voids my warranty. This is not an acceptable solution. I want Uniden to repair the unit under warranty. Finally the representative told me Uniden could repair the unit but it could take up to 8 weeks as they are still on limited staffing and operations due to COVID-19, which I totally understand. When I asked the representative as to why they just could not agree to do that from the get go, she said she didn't know, that perhaps it was a miscommunication. I called four times previous to her, there was no miscommunication.

In the midst of this, I called the retailer (Zipscanners) to ask how I could return the unit and obtain a refund. He asked why I wanted to return it and I explained my situation. He graciously offered to replace it and I intend to pursue that route, but there is one issue. I purchased all three unlock codes from Uniden direct. The retailer told me that I would need to contact Uniden to see if they would allow me to transfer the codes to the new unit. I totally get that from the retailer point of view, this is both logical and reasonable. So, call number six to Uniden and I'm told "We will submit your request to corporate, it might take until the end of next week." Now mind you, the Uniden customer service representative confirms they can see that I've purchased all three unlock codes in their system.

So for now, I'm in limbo mode. I do not want to pursue a swap out with the retailer at this point because I don't know if Uniden will approve transferring the unlock codes; and as you are all well aware, those codes are expensive.

For those who are telling me this should be fixed and just follow the instructions. I'm here to tell you, I've done that. The summary I've shared with you is my personal experience. You can agree or disagree on the reasons for which I am frustrated. For those of you who feel compelled to tell me that your knob didn't break, that's fantastic. Mine did break, on a new unit under warranty, and I'm sharing my experience with you.

Bottom line for me, Uniden's customer support truly sucks. This isn't my first rodeo, I understand that when any product is massed produced, a small percentage will make it past QC with defects. But the fact that their customer service team does not seem to be empowered to make any decisions on simple warranty support and it takes days for someone at corporate to make a decision is just sad. And the inconsistency between customers services reps (we need corporate approval vs. we don't need it) is a major waste of time. A company's commitment to backing their warranty is just as important as the quality of the product they manufacture, especially when that product runs 650 bucks, not counting the cost of the unlock codes.

Will provide an update next week on the status of transferring the unlock codes.
Call your credit card company and have the payment charged back to Zipscanners. Simple solution. At $649.95, You are getting the run around and shouldn't have to go through this-ridiculous! This handheld scanner has KNOWN issues and Uniden America Corporation fails to resolve a lot of them, even before Covid-19. Paul Opitz would of addressed this perfectly. May he rest in peace.
 

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Bottom Line Up Front: I do not recommend anyone purchase this scanner.

I simply cannot recommend to anyone to spend almost $700.00 for a cheaply made scanner.

One person's bad experience does not make a scanner bad. It may not be for everybody but it's wrong to say it's bad for everyone!
 

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I like Uniden but the quality control has fallen off since the x96 series imo. The 436 felt so cheap to me and my unit had backlight issues which were fixed. My SDS (late 18) is kicking, but my volume knob has some l/r play in it. By comparison my new 325p2 feels a bit more sturdy.
 

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I like Uniden but the quality control has fallen off since the x96 series imo. The 436 felt so cheap to me and my unit had backlight issues which were fixed. My SDS (late 18) is kicking, but my volume knob has some l/r play in it. By comparison my new 325p2 feels a bit more sturdy.
BCD-325P2 much more sturdy/compact too. Its like a BCD-125AT but digital/trunking/analog/alpha tagging. All one really needs. Bells and whistles equal problems. The BCD-436HP lacks good analog reception even with a Diamond RH-77CA on it. My friend wanted to return it but his window had passed from Bearcat Warehouse. And also the display isn't that good on that radio either.
Have a good 4th everyone!
 

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BCD-325P2 much more sturdy/compact too. Its like a BCD-125AT but digital/trunking/analog/alpha tagging. All one really needs. Bells and whistles equal problems. The BCD-436HP lacks good analog reception even with a Diamond RH-77CA on it. My friend wanted to return it but his window had passed from Bearcat Warehouse. And also the display isn't that good on that radio either.
Have a good 4th everyone!
Yep the 325 P2 is a nice unit but no scanner is going to pick up simulcast like the SDS radios.

It's a shame there has been some quality control and customer support issues. It would seem though there's a lot of satisfied customers out there to the point that the radios are hard to find and flying off the shelves. :)
 

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I have 2 SDS100 scanners and they are great scanners. I've been in high simulcast areas where the BCD436HP was dead silent while my SDS100 was picking up nonstop action. You will never know what you are missing unless you have a SDS100 for comparison. The SDS100 is a must have tool for any radio enthusiast.
 

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Aww, we know what he means. :p
Thank you all- Got my HP's mixed up

Yes, I recommend.
Affirmative, yep, rodger,14.
Hope that was unemotional enough.
Appreciate the reply and excuse my model goof!

Hmmmm. A typo, maybe???
Very much so!

I'm listening to mine right now. I got one of the original batch (with the small battery) when it first came out. I love it.

As others have said, if you are trying to listen to a P25 Phase II simulcast system, it's either an SDS scanner or a Unification pager. On the other hand, if your local area (and listening interest) is analog or P25 conventional, then there are lots of other great (and cheaper) alternatives. If you tell us where you are located we can make a recommendation based on that information.

There are definitely folks who have had issues with their SDS100 or SDS200. I won't dispute that. But the truth is that someone who is unhappy about a product is much more likely to be vocal about it than someone who is satisfied. That's how it is in the real world and seems to be even more the case on the Internet. So don't let a few bad experiences scare you away from a good product.
Got my SDS200 and very pleased. So much so that I went out and just passed my Technician Class exam.
 

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The last five Uniden scanners I've bought have had significant issues:
1. BCD-436HP (display and battery/clock issue, sent back and fixed under recall program)
2. BCD-536HP (as above, and about to return to Uniden under recall program)
3. SDS100 (rotary encoder has failed and at this point is almost unusable)
4. SDS200 (Uniden-acknowledged computer hash/noise issue, know how to resolve this just need to do it)
5. Home Patrol II (two weeks ago a white line appeared across the display, the unit is still under warranty so will be returning it for repair)

I've bought many, many radios over the years from the big three amateur radio companies (Icom, Yaesu, Kenwood) and literally had two problems, an Icom battery went south out of warranty and the display on my Yaesu VR-500 started to malfunction but by then it was so old Yaesu no longer was supporting this model (I know what's likely happened and can repair it myself).

Uniden's build quality and quality control does not inspire confidence..
 

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The last five Uniden scanners I've bought have had significant issues:
1. BCD-436HP (display and battery/clock issue, sent back and fixed under recall program)
2. BCD-536HP (as above, and about to return to Uniden under recall program)
3. SDS100 (rotary encoder has failed and at this point is almost unusable)
4. SDS200 (Uniden-acknowledged computer hash/noise issue, know how to resolve this just need to do it)
5. Home Patrol II (two weeks ago a white line appeared across the display, the unit is still under warranty so will be returning it for repair)

I've bought many, many radios over the years from the big three amateur radio companies (Icom, Yaesu, Kenwood) and literally had two problems, an Icom battery went south out of warranty and the display on my Yaesu VR-500 started to malfunction but by then it was so old Yaesu no longer was supporting this model (I know what's likely happened and can repair it myself).

Uniden's build quality and quality control does not inspire confidence..

Interesting "resume" but:

1. BCD996P2 (Never had issues, sold)
2. BCD996XT (Still in use...x2)
3. BCD536hp (x2...1 of them had a display issue, function knob issue...repaired)
4. SDS100 (Purchased June 2018...no issues others have had, received larger battery, use internal charger, small battery for back-up)
5. SDS200 (Original purchase Jan. 2019, second purchased Dec. 2019. No issues others have had).

Uniden's build quality isn't always the problem, some have reported they have dropped the scanner, unauthorized modifications etc.

What I find interesting is how some have had problems in a short time of ownership, then research their past posts and notice similar issues with other manufacturers of scanners. You spent $500-700 on a scanner and treat it as such. No scanner owned can survive some of the abuse others have posted on, and I always shake my head. If someone is looking for the build quality of a Motorola radio, you will spend 4x as much. People complain about $700, imagine the griping $4,000 would generate.
 

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The last five Uniden scanners I've bought have had significant issues:
1. BCD-436HP (display and battery/clock issue, sent back and fixed under recall program)
2. BCD-536HP (as above, and about to return to Uniden under recall program)
3. SDS100 (rotary encoder has failed and at this point is almost unusable)
4. SDS200 (Uniden-acknowledged computer hash/noise issue, know how to resolve this just need to do it)
5. Home Patrol II (two weeks ago a white line appeared across the display, the unit is still under warranty so will be returning it for repair)

I've bought many, many radios over the years from the big three amateur radio companies (Icom, Yaesu, Kenwood) and literally had two problems, an Icom battery went south out of warranty and the display on my Yaesu VR-500 started to malfunction but by then it was so old Yaesu no longer was supporting this model (I know what's likely happened and can repair it myself).

Uniden's build quality and quality control does not inspire confidence..

Yet you continue to buy them, why do you think that is? I'm thinking you're like most of us and realize as bad as they are they're the best we got!
Anytime you buy state of the art, bleeding edge technology you take a risk. Take the SDS series. There's nothing else in it's class even at 2-3 times the price. They're a work in progress.
 
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