SDS100/SDS200: SDS100 Location Settings ??

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I tried ProScan but can't find any easy copy and paste routine. I have to take one coordinate at a time and paste and cannot mark 4 coordinates and paste all in one go that Sentinel can do.

I just tested with ProScan. Rows selected has to be concurrent by using the Shift key. I'll make it any row selected with the Ctrl key.
 

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I just tested with ProScan. Rows selected has to be concurrent by using the Shift key. I'll make it any row selected with the Ctrl key.
Yes, selection works but how to copy from department rectangle and paste into site rectangle? I have no right click selections.

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Not sure I understand. I was only scanning the one system - Johnson County. If I scan the Johnson County and Jackson County systems, the scanner switches at the boundary but those systems also use different sites.

Are you suggesting I break the cities in Johnson County into separate SYSTEMS instead of DEPARTMENTS? I could try that.
Was wondering what would happen if it was staying on the system, vs leaving the system.


Would be nice if Jason Houck were to weigh in on this.
Not sure anybody tagged the Hulk

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After months of testing and re-programming, I've come to the conclusion that, for whatever reason that escapes my small mind, the SDS 150 GPS does not work the way I had hoped. If I traveled cross-state or cross-country, it might be a useful feature, but for what I was hoping to do with it within the KC Metro, it is not useful.
Problem is that the departments in question use the same site.

Here on Long Island, local system has site covering whole island. Site range is 45 miles. Few agencies have extremely small ranges on some departments. My 436 turned depts on and off with out issue that were using one site. Took all police precincts and used a GIS viewer and mapped each out and added its rectangle(s) coordinates to @ProScan . Had no complaints. Works as intended.
 

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Following this thread now and gathering information. Can someone give me the condensed version of the possible issue?
 

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Following this thread now and gathering information. Can someone give me the condensed version of the possible issue?
Jason,

My county (Johnson County, KS) has six different cities all under one simulcast site. I was hoping to set up individual departments for each city and use the GPS feature to have the SDS 150 automatically switch between cities as I drive through the county. However, the Uniden stays locked onto the first department regardless of where I am. I have GPS turned on in Settings on the radio, range set to 0.0, Location Control: Yes in the favorite and each department uses a rectangle that was created in ProScan, imported into Sentinel and written to the scanner.

I have attached the HPE file for the favorite in question. Thank you for taking time to look at this. :D
 

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Jason,

My county (Johnson County, KS) has six different cities all under one simulcast site. I was hoping to set up individual departments for each city and use the GPS feature to have the SDS 150 automatically switch between cities as I drive through the county. However, the Uniden stays locked onto the first department regardless of where I am. I have GPS turned on in Settings on the radio, range set to 0.0, Location Control: Yes in the favorite and each department uses a rectangle that was created in ProScan, imported into Sentinel and written to the scanner.

I have attached the HPE file for the favorite in question. Thank you for taking time to look at this. :D
Just to be 100% sure, do you have location control turned on for that favorites list? When I imported it into a FL, I had to name it and it was turned off:

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WTF is that????

I’ll ask again, where do you see this because it isn’t Sentinel or ProScan. I assure you the target model is set to the 150.

How would the target mode affect the gps programming? Both the x36 and sds 150 are capable of using gps and the radio itself is what reads and uses the gps data not some fancy computer program. Your screen shot also shows the GPS Location is set to off which is also incorrect as the setting is ON in Sentinel.

Cool program though. Looks like it’s impressive but tells me nothing useful and is pointless if I don’t have access to it.
 

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WTF is that????

I’ll ask again, where do you see this because it isn’t Sentinel or ProScan. I assure you the target model is set to the 150.
It's in the profile.cfg file.
TargetModel BCDx36HP
FormatVersion 1.00
ProductName SDS100
 

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I am done with this thread. I have stopped experimenting with the GPS feature. It does not do what I expected it to do so any further testing on my part would give the same resolution. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is the sign of insanity.

@Ubbe Your posts appear super hi-tech but don’t give me useful data or feedback to work with. Blocked.

@jasonhouk please PM me if you have additional questions or suggestions.

Out.
 

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Problem is that the departments in question use the same site. I will have to try setting up the site like @Ubbe suggested a couple posts up and see if that works.

That isn't an issue. The sites are the transmitters that carry the radio signal. Departments, in the case of trunked systems, have the talkgroups for the agencies that serve a jurisdiction.

When set up as they should be, here is what happens: When the scanner is located in the "footprint" of the Department's location circle/rectangle, the scanner will "open up/unmute/unavoid" the talkgroups and allow radio traffic to be heard. When outside of the Department foorprint, the scanner should more or less, Avoid/Lockout those talkgroups associated with the Department.

So in the case of sites, their location ought to be a circle because generally, radio waves radiate in a circular pattern. How far out those radio wave go is a function of the "horsepower" of the transmitter. Simulcast systems use a network of several transmitters all using the same frequency to ensure signal saturation of the area, particularly in-building construction. Now these multiple transmitters can be arranged/sited/located so that a rectangular coverage is achieved. But it is like placing a series of overlapping circles.

Departments, as mentioned, are collections of talkgroups assigned to a jurisdiction. The database uses the center point of the jurisdiction for the location (subject to modification by the scanner user). The database, for better or worse, assigns a circular area (again subject to user programming).

So you can have numerous Departments all having different areas, still using the same site. Kind of like several boxes under a big umbrella.
 

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That isn't an issue. The sites are the transmitters that carry the radio signal. Departments, in the case of trunked systems, have the talkgroups for the agencies that serve a jurisdiction.

When set up as they should be, here is what happens: When the scanner is located in the "footprint" of the Department's location circle/rectangle, the scanner will "open up/unmute/unavoid" the talkgroups and allow radio traffic to be heard. When outside of the Department foorprint, the scanner should more or less, Avoid/Lockout those talkgroups associated with the Department.

So in the case of sites, their location ought to be a circle because generally, radio waves radiate in a circular pattern. How far out those radio wave go is a function of the "horsepower" of the transmitter. Simulcast systems use a network of several transmitters all using the same frequency to ensure signal saturation of the area, particularly in-building construction. Now these multiple transmitters can be arranged/sited/located so that a rectangular coverage is achieved. But it is like placing a series of overlapping circles.

Departments, as mentioned, are collections of talkgroups assigned to a jurisdiction. The database uses the center point of the jurisdiction for the location (subject to modification by the scanner user). The database, for better or worse, assigns a circular area (again subject to user programming).

So you can have numerous Departments all having different areas, still using the same site. Kind of like several boxes under a big umbrella.
Thank you for the feedback; however, I have been struggling to no avail with trying to get the GPS location feature to work within my county when traveling between cities since I bought the SDS 150 a little over 5 months ago. I have determined that the likely culprit is my ignorance and inability to understand how to set up GPS "boundaries" within the radio using Sentinel or ProScan. Over the past few months, I've pulled out what is left of my hair, gotten more confused by the replies on this thread, and am tired of repeatedly hitting my head on the wall, so to speak. The hobby is now less than enjoyable for me as a result so I am walking away from Uniden's GPS feature. In all sincerity, I salute those who can figure out how to get Uniden's GPS software and hardware to work. I am too stupid to figure that out and, while my previous post (#74) was, admittedly, overly harsh, I stand by my decision to take break.

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It's in the profile.cfg file.
TargetModel BCDx36HP
FormatVersion 1.00
ProductName SDS100
Thank you, @ProScan, but I don't understand why it would show the TargetModel as the BCDx36HP since I had the 150 selected when I exported the file or why it shows the Location feature is OFF when I have it selected ON in Sentinel. I do have three profiles in Sentinel: A BCD436 / SDS 100, a SDS 200 and a SDS 150 profile. I am also not quite sure how that would affect my issue of the scanner staying locked onto the Overland Park department when I drive into Olathe; however, the scanner switches from Overland Park to KCMO as soon as I cross state lines using the very HPE file I posted in post #66. As I have established several posts ago, and has been pointed out to me by various replies, I have no clue what I am doing and am apparently unable to understand the GPS feature, so I am stepping away from any further work on it.

As an additional note, my response in post #74 was in no way directed at, or meant to be directed towards you. I appreciate your feedback and all the hard work that you put into the ProScan software that I use very much! I was lashing out manly in frustration as I have been beating myself over the head with this for the past five months with no understanding of why it doesn't work. :(
 

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Thank you, @ProScan, but I don't understand why it would show the TargetModel as the BCDx36HP since I had the 150 selected when I exported the file or why it shows the Location feature is OFF when I have it selected ON in Sentinel.
The answer in post #71 is incorrect. The Target Model under the Tools menu is not the same TargetModel in the files.
 
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The answer in post #71 is incorrect. The Target Model under the Tools menu is not the same TargetModel in the files.
I tested to set the target to BCDx36, SDS100 and SDS150 and all exported files have the same heading of "TargetModel BCDx36HP" so it is a bug in Sentinels "Append to favorite list" function. The BCDx36HP and SDS150 have no filter settings but all models can use a GPS, either external or internal, and I don't know if the scanner use that target model information in any way or just ignores those lines.

/Ubbe
 

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Thank you for the feedback; however, I have been struggling to no avail with trying to get the GPS location feature to work within my county when traveling between cities since I bought the SDS 150 a little over 5 months ago. I have determined that the likely culprit is my ignorance and inability to understand how to set up GPS "boundaries" within the radio using Sentinel or ProScan. Over the past few months, I've pulled out what is left of my hair, gotten more confused by the replies on this thread, and am tired of repeatedly hitting my head on the wall, so to speak. The hobby is now less than enjoyable for me as a result so I am walking away from Uniden's GPS feature. In all sincerity, I salute those who can figure out how to get Uniden's GPS software and hardware to work. I am too stupid to figure that out and, while my previous post (#74) was, admittedly, overly harsh, I stand by my decision to take break.

-- J-Wrock
I have the same experience and frustration. The radio and GPS do not work as we expected. (The 996T functioned the way we want this to). I use it with different systems but not departments.
 
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