SDS100 Operation in Minnesota.

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Hello, I am new to scanner operation. I have a SDS100 that I enjoy listening to both at home and while I drive. I recently found out that you can't use a scanner while operating a motor vehicle in Minnesota. 299C.37 POLICE COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT; USE, SALE. I have read this a few times but I seem to be missing something. As a EMR that is not currently employed by a service am I exempt from this law? If not what HAM license would be adequate for legally scanning while driving? Technician, General, or Extra? Thank you in advance to whoever has the answer.
 

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I would not think you as someone not affiliated with an emergency service, can use radio equipment mentioned in the law. And if you were, it may only be the equipment provided to you by your agency and not a scanner as such.

It does not specify a particular class of license. So any class would be sufficient, I'd guess. If the state legislature wanted a specific class, they would have stated it.

The states I travel to/through that have scanner laws typically exempt those having FCC licenses, which is exactly why I got one. Just so I could operate a scanner, legally.
 

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I would not think you as someone not affiliated with an emergency service, can use radio equipment mentioned in the law. And if you were, it may only be the equipment provided to you by your agency and not a scanner as such.

It does not specify a particular class of license. So any class would be sufficient, I'd guess. If the state legislature wanted a specific class, they would have stated it.

The states I travel to/through that have scanner laws typically exempt those having FCC licenses, which is exactly why I got one. Just so I could operate a scanner, legally.
Thank you for the input. May I ask, what class of license do you have? Also, have you ever had to present your license while being stoped with your scanner in the car?
 

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This has been discussed on these forums frequently. Here's the secret...don't draw attention to yourself, don't outfit your car with 20 antennas, a laptop computer and try to look like police or fire, and you won't have problems. Drive within normal speeds, and if you do get pulled over, don't wave your ham license (if you have one) out the window or act like an arse to the police officer, and I suspect you'll be fine. Also...hopefully you don't have any warrants. I've been through many states with these "scanner laws" over many years, and never had an issue. Play it cool, enjoy the ride, and the radio traffic. :cool:
 

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This has been discussed on these forums frequently. Here's the secret...don't draw attention to yourself, don't outfit your car with 20 antennas, a laptop computer and try to look like police or fire, and you won't have problems. Drive within normal speeds, and if you do get pulled over, don't wave your ham license (if you have one) out the window or act like an arse to the police officer, and I suspect you'll be fine. Also...hopefully you don't have any warrants. I've been through many states with these "scanner laws" over many years, and never had an issue. Play it cool, enjoy the ride, and the radio traffic. :cool:
Yup no warrants, I also only mention the EMR as it spurs my interest but is not my overall drive to having a scanner. I simply enjoy radio traffic and knowing my surroundings. No extra lights or police imitating features either, my 2003 ford ranger is about as simple as it gets. I do think I will get a HAM license as a CYA, but surely won't present it unless asked. Thanks for the Input.
 

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As the others said, the key is mostly in that old saying of never break two laws at once. That law is pretty much obsolete and became all but unenforceable with the evolution of cell phone based scanner apps. Or even cell phones able to connect in a more technical manner, but essentially the plug and play public proliferation of phone apps mean a majority of the population is breaking that law every day.

Of course owning a purpose built scanner, and then external antennas draw additional attention but if you have no reason for LE to have contact with you, and you aren't challenging to them if you are stopped for something simple like a moving violation, you'll probably never have an issue.

Also as frustrating as it can be, the side of the road is not the place to litigate your case even when you know you're right. You run that odd chance of running across an officer that wants cite you for the crime, even when you know you are right. As with any other citation, the place to correct that is with the courts. Have your ducks in a row, but be prepared for that odd jerk that wants to shoot in your lane.

My drive into getting licensed was actually similar to yours. Had a CB in the car in high school and did my fair share of questionably stupid stuff, and wanted a way to legally listen to what was going on while we were out and about. Was really kicked into gear after being questioned by one of the types of officers questioning my illegal in it's own way modified and totally unlicensed President Lincoln II 10/12M CB. Officer knew enough to question why the display showed frequencies, but had absolutely no clue that it couldn't pick up police, and was convinced it was a scanner. Talked my way through that, and figured out how to get my amateur radio license shortly after that.
 

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Hello, I am new to scanner operation. I have a SDS100 that I enjoy listening to both at home and while I drive. I recently found out that you can't use a scanner while operating a motor vehicle in Minnesota. 299C.37 POLICE COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT; USE, SALE. I have read this a few times but I seem to be missing something. As a EMR that is not currently employed by a service am I exempt from this law? If not what HAM license would be adequate for legally scanning while driving? Technician, General, or Extra? Thank you in advance to whoever has the answer.
Technician would be adequate. It's not hard to get. The scanner law was maybe 25% of the reason I got licensed.
 

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Any class of amateur HAM license is sufficient for carrying a scanner in your vehicle. And it's not a state law, it's a federal law. If you have a HAM license then you can carry a scanner in your vehicle while driving in ANY state.

I've heard some cops either don't know this about HAM licenses, or they choose to ignore the law. I've never been asked about my scanner but I do carry my HAM license with me and I also carry a copy of the federal law that allows me to carry a scanner in a motor vehicle. (it's only one piece of paper in my center console, not a bog deal)

The federal law basically says...... Anyone with a amateur radio license issued by the FCC is legally allowed to posses radio equipment capable of RECEIVING public safety frequencies in a motor vehicle. (not an EXACT quote but fairly close)

The link above in post #1 is the first time I've seen the Minnesota version of the law.

And just for fun.... on a side note:
I also know many years ago before the state wide digital radio system, ARMER was installed and turned on, most public safety frequencies where just standard analog VHF in the "Public frequency" band. (some departments already had some form of analog or digital trunking but it was unique to each department and was not very common) Back then, towing companies that were contracted with police departments or the Minnesota State Patrol could apply for a permit from the Minnesota BCA to get permission to access certain frequencies with their business band tow truck radios so the tow drivers could talk to the police (or vise versa) when responding to Police requested tow calls. I personally know of several towing companies in the metro area who had this capability. When ARMER happened, this all went away immediately. Even if the BCA permitted this to happen today, I HIGHLY doubt any towing companies would buy $7500 dollar (each, give or take) Motorola ARMER radios for every one of their tow trucks....
 

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So just for anyone who might be interested. You can setup ProScan software on a PC and attach the audio from your scanner to this. The ProScan software supports streaming audio to an app on your phone. So you can go anywhere in your vehicle and get the audio without operating police scanner equipment inside your vehicle.
 

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Screw getting a ham license. As others who posted, don’t do stupid stuff to draw attention. My handheld sits on my dash while driving. Never been pulled over. Just play dumb if you do get pulled over. Then get your ham licenses if you’re getting pulled over. I have a handheld cb that also sits on the dash. If I would get pulled over, would remove the receiver/scanner and let them see the cb. No law against having a cb.
 

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Screw getting a ham license. <snip>

lol, it's not like getting a ham license is expensive or hard to get. I can't remember what I initially paid for my ham license but it's good for ten years and renewal is free. I just renewed mine last December.... Now I'm good to go for another ten years. They no longer require you to know Morse code and it's only a 20 questions test. (If I remember correctly) All you need to do is take the ham "practice test" on the internet and once you can easily pass that test, you go take the real one. It's very easy.

Edit: I just googled it... apparently a new ham license application fee is $35 dollars paid directly to the FCC.... and a $15 dollar test fee will be charged when you take the test payable to the examiner. So, $50 bucks to have a ham radio license for life. Even if you plan to never key-up a ham radio in your life, $50 bucks is a fairly cheap lifetime fee to pay for the ability to legally carry a scanner in your vehicle.

I can't speak for certain but I am willing to bet if you get caught without the license, and the cop wants to push the issue and write you a ticket for illegally carrying a scanner, your fine will cost more than $50 bucks.

Just remember, there is nothing wrong with doing things the correct way. Trying to figure out how to get around laws is a pain in the butt and the potential for legal trouble is always there. Just like hunting or fishing without the license, or driving a commercial vehicle without the license.... it's not worth the potential trouble. Just get the license. Besides, if you're into radio equipment anyway, why not get the ham license and expand your radio hobby?

Just my $0.02 cents.
 

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Only 20 questions? When did that change? Tried 25 years ago and missed by 1 point. Never went back. May have to give it another try.
 

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Only 20 questions? When did that change? Tried 25 years ago and missed by 1 point. Never went back. May have to give it another try.
Well, to be honest, I don't remember exactly how many questions. I thought it was 20, but I could be wrong. Either way, it's not very many. It was 11 years ago when I took my test and my memory is not what it once was. The on-line practice tests are free and there are several versions of practice tests that all pick questions from the pool of ham license test questions. Once you can regularly pass all the different versions of the practice tests, then taking the real test is a piece of cake. Even if the questions and answers don't make any sense to you, if you just memorize the correct answer for each question then you're pretty much guaranteed to pass the real thing. You'll be in an out of there in a half hour and then you'll have a ham license for the rest of your life.
 
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