Simulcast distortion question

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Doesn't scan the air band do it?!
As pointed out above, the OP is looking for options to monitor a simulcast system. My replies are directed to the OP's questions and concerns, not the person 6 states away who asked a question that has nothing to do with the system the OP is referring to.
 

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If you program them right, they most definitely are. I am not a firefighter, I am not a volunteer. I do use the UHF side in work at a major municipal EMS system when I don't want to carry my portable around the office. I am, however, a fire scene photographer and use the G5 to monitor the RISCON system and it out performs ANY scanner I own. If you are looking to monitor one system, as the OP is, and set it up right, it could easily be an (not THE) answer.
The other market, for those who don't work for an Public Service Agency or otherwise can't have a subscriber radio.
 
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The other market, for those who don't work for an Public Service Agency or otherwise can't have a subscriber radio.
This is still a viable option to monitor a simulcast system, regardless of who you are. The OP was asking about a specific system, a recommendation of a specific product (one that that particular poster has a past vested financial interest in, by the way) was made with the implication that it was the only product available to properly listen to LSM. I was pointing out that there are alternatives to that one product, but you and a few others seem to want to dismiss this fact under the guise of it not being a scanner. It isn't a scanner, but properly programmed, it can be utilized in place of one. Does it monitor LSM? Yes. Does it do so more effectively that the radios the OP currently has? Yes. Is it a cheaper alternative to the SDS100? Yes. Does it provide a consideration for the OP? Yes. Why are you trying to indicate that the answers to all of these should be no?
 

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Because it's a disservice to direct someone to a device with such narrow capabilities when a SDS series scanner has immense capabilites for just 10% more money.

Every dime spent on the unication is wasted if the user decides they want to monitor anything other than 700/800 P25 and the one band the pager might be capable of monitoring.
 

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Because it's a disservice to direct someone to a device with such narrow capabilities when a SDS series scanner has immense capabilites for just 10% more money.

Every dime spent on the unication is wasted if the user decides they want to monitor anything other than 700/800 P25 and the one band the pager might be capable of monitoring.
So I guess those 1080's he owns are useless......

EDIT: and check your math. G4 currently $545, SDS100 $650 my math puts that at almost 20% more
 
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EDIT: and check your math. G4 currently $545, SDS100 $650 my math puts that at almost 20% more
It's actually 16 percent. Well, within a dollar. I agree, it is an option and it may or may not fit the OP's needs. Who the heck are we to decide that anyway??
 

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It's actually 16 percent. Well, within a dollar. I agree, it is an option and it may or may not fit the OP's needs. Who the heck are we to decide that anyway??
I came up with 19.3%, figuring it on the additional fee the purchaser would have to fork out above the cost of the G4, not the cost below the SDS.

But you hit on my point exactly. The OP asked about monitoring a specific system-they did not ask about search capabilities, monitoring other bands or anything else. A suggestion was made that made it appear that the radio suggested was the only option. When I pointed out a second option that is available to monitor this system, people started jumping on me because it is not a scanner and they felt that making the OP aware of this other option that could meet their needs as posted was wrong because it is not a scanner. It's an option that does what the OP is looking for, as posted, as is the SDS series. Why discourage people from sharing information that the OP can evaluate for their needs and purposes in their decision process of whether it will work for them?
 

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Why discourage people from sharing information that the OP can evaluate for their needs and purposes in their decision process of whether it will work for them?
I've noticed this trend here lately on RR. It seems there is a "clique" of certain posters that what they say always goes and they somehow magically know the OP's entire intentions, reminds me of a bunch of high school kids. Oh well, it's an option nonetheless. Not sure what the problem with that is..
 
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I've said it before: There are about a couple of dozen or so people on this forum whose advice can be taken at face value. Most of us know who they are (and certainly who they are not). The others? Well, I believe I'd double-check everything.
 

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We have to be aware not everyone has an endless supply of money to buy an endless supply of radios. Some people just have to make comprimises and have one radio that does everything ok then to have one radio that does one thing good.
 

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We have to be aware not everyone has an endless supply of money to buy an endless supply of radios. Some people just have to make comprimises and have one radio that does everything ok then to have one radio that does one thing good.
Yes, that is true. Maybe one doesn't have the money to buy anything at all and the only thing affordable is to move the location of their receiving antenna around to try to eliminate distortion. The point is, we don't know the details and we should embrace all options suggested. I don't understand why pointing out different options is such a big deal.
 

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Let me simplify it: If you want it and can afford it, buy it. Otherwise, don't.
 

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DOH! That's horrible, sorry to hear they did that. Macomb County, Michigan won't be too far behind in doing that I'm afraid. That's the other reason I didn't want $700 tided up in a scanner.
Man don’t say that I’m in Michigan, hoping to listen for a few years I just got my sds100 a few weeks ago! Thankfully i got it for 460 bucks used and then another 120ish for the DMR and Provoice upgrades. I had the little BCD325P2 and the difference is day and night between the 2. I’ve tried several antennas and just ordered a JIM M-75 preamp to give a try. If they do encrypt it I guess I’ll have a nice package deal for someone lol ✌️
 

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Man don’t say that I’m in Michigan, hoping to listen for a few years I just got my sds100 a few weeks ago! Thankfully i got it for 460 bucks used and then another 120ish for the DMR and Provoice upgrades. I had the little BCD325P2 and the difference is day and night between the 2. I’ve tried several antennas and just ordered a JIM M-75 preamp to give a try. If they do encrypt it I guess I’ll have a nice package deal for someone lol ✌

Are you buying antennas and a preamp for the SDS100? If so, why if it's working so well? Roughly where in Michigan do you live? I'm in Macomb, MI. and I don't think there is any ProVoice around me. Mostly P25, DMR & NXDN. Have you tried your SDS100 on the air bands?
 

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If anyone is worried how simulcast will affect them, just wait and see if your existing scanner works OK at your location before even thinking about making any changes such as directional antennas. It is all Location, Location, Location. If your scanner works at home and that is the only place you want to use it, you are OK. If you want to use it mobile, check and see how well it works. If you have problems mobile, you will probably need one of the Uniden SDS scanners.
 

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Man don’t say that I’m in Michigan, hoping to listen for a few years I just got my sds100 a few weeks ago! Thankfully i got it for 460 bucks used and then another 120ish for the DMR and Provoice upgrades. I had the little BCD325P2 and the difference is day and night between the 2. I’ve tried several antennas and just ordered a JIM M-75 preamp to give a try. If they do encrypt it I guess I’ll have a nice package deal for someone lol ✌️

I have not heard of anyone wanting to wholesale encrypt anything on MPSCS. There are a few agencies that have done so for themselves, and it is rumored that Oakland County will be encrypting at least most of their traffic, when they join MPSCS. (The other traffic on the towers/sites will be whatever is usual for that TG.)
 
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