St Louis FD Reprogramming

[scanman1958]

All morning long St Louis FD units have been going by fire alarm headquarters to have their radios reprogrammed. Battalion Chiefs also. Does anyone have an idea as to what new TG's they might be getting?

 

[Starcom21]

They've been testing on 10232 the last week, I think it may be EMS. Abbott was heard on it the other day, on the wrong channel, per dispatch.

Best thing to do is open up your scanner to hear all talkgroups and help us all figure it out.

Also, hearing testing this morning on the 8CALL/8TAC repeaters 851.0125 (CSQ for some reason) and 851.5125 156.7 PL

 

[scanman1958]

I know, and it's pretty obvious, that Abbott is helping the city with EMS coverage. Usually 4 to 5 trucks. Medic One has 1 to 2 in the mix. Maybe they will get their own channel, who knows. I already have my scanners set up for SEARCH mode. I'll let you know if I hear something.

 

[Starcom21]

I heard a high pitched tone on 10232 earlier, that was it.

EMS and Fire Dispatch appear to be normal right now.

Yes, they contact abbott to sit at fire stations instead of one of their Medic units. It is possible they can call Abbott directly for extra units, if available, but those units will not have any city radios. (Last I knew)

 

[AC0RV]

I was at MO Bapt in St Louis. and heard Abbot as well on that talk group as well.

 

[scanman1958]

The Abbott and Medic One units assigned to the city have handheld radios provided by the city and are dispatched directly by SLFD EMS dispatcher on TG 10201. Their on air radio number relates to the engine house they are assigned to.

 

[Starcom21]

OK. the tone I keep hearing on 10232 is just my darn unication pager, disregard that. It just seems now that twice in the last week, that Abbott had their radio on the new channel, and dispatch both times told them they were on the wrong channel.

So, it's possible the updates have been made to the portables and that is still a future use channel.

I don't remember that the Abbott number, like 106, etc, relating to the station (it very well may), but I know that is what is used in the AMR/Abbott CAD system they use with their "LOGIS" handheld devices. Abbott St Louis itself does not use any radio system (normally) and some units only have hospital channels. While the EMS unit numbers on air may be the same every day, the actual ambulance used every day could be a different vehcile (3 digit # or 5 digit VIN on the vehicle)

(Note: I worked dispatch, for the company for 2 years)

 

[WingnutStl]

I do NOT have any firsthand knowledge of this, but it could be that they are loading encryption keys into the radios. That would not necessarily mean they would go encrypted, but it could give the SLFD access to encrypted talkgroups that they don't currently have access to. Just a thought

 

[AB5ID]

The Kansas City Fire Department similarly called in units to the IT department, a few at a time. Over the radio, they mentioned it was to update their passwords. This action was taken after Jackson County, where our county is located, was hit with ransomware. I was also curious if they were setting the radios for encryption.

 

[Starcom21]

I heard another Abbott unit this morning on 10231, and dispatch said you are on "Fire Main", switch to EMS Dispatch. This is also a new talkgroup, but not sure if it is actually going to be "Fire Main"

 

[llzel]

I'm thinking that maybe they will add a Fire Main and maybe an EMS main rather than continue using dispatch as both. I'll keep watching here to see what I need to program into my Unication

 

[PVPD730]

The Kansas City Fire Department similarly called in units to the IT department, a few at a time. Over the radio, they mentioned it was to update their passwords. This action was taken after Jackson County, where our county is located, was hit with ransomware. I was also curious if they were setting the radios for encryption.

Several months ago, KCFD radios were reprogrammed and keyloaded with encryption keys, however, they don't have any plans to go fully encrypted on the A-1 primary and Ops talkgroups. According to the MARRS Management Committe at MARC, they added the encryption capability so personnel can use the encrypted REG COM talkgroups and for interoperability purposes (i.e. if they run a call with Gladstone or CJC Fire both of which are encrypted).

 

[Starcom21]

I still keep hearing occasional transmissions on 10231 and 10232.

 

[Starcom21]

Has anyone else worked on any of this? (sorry, forgot to remove duplicates)

Radio ID	Comment	TG
204104	Police D4 Dispatcher 104
204107	Police D4 Dispatcher 107
204113	EMS Dispatcher 113
204114	EMS Dispatcher 114
207126	SLC Gateway unit
207127		SLC Gateway
207132	at gate 10	SLC Gateway
207132	SLC Gateway unit
207133	at Greyhound Platform	SLC Gateway
210003	Squad 2
210006	936?
210009	Truck 4
210061	Pumper 24
210099	Truck 4 see 009
210102	truck 22
210107	Truck 17
210133	Pumper 33
210138	Fire Truck 27
210163	Fire H&L 5
210169	Pumper 19
210293	Pumper 1
210430	Fire 806
210863	Pumper 26*
210882	Pumper 14
210883	Pumper 24 /2?
210885	Truck 17
210888	Truck 11
210889	Fire Pumper 31*
210891	Fire Pumper 8*
210895	Pumper 28
210896	truck 20
210897	Fire unit
210905	Fire H&L 6
210908	Pumper 33/Truck 30
210910	Truck 13
210911	Truck 13*
210922	Fire H&L 3
210923	Fire
210927	Fire H&L 1
210929	Fire 804
210934	Fire Truck 7*
210937	Pumper 27?
210938	Fire 805
211002	Medic 26* / 36*
211009	Pumper 24
211029	Pumper 29
211034	Pumper 1
211035	Pumper 2*
211037	2 trolley ???
211039	Pumper 28
211055	Pumper 8
211059	Pumper 9
211063	Fire Truck 10*
211067	Truck 11
211075	Pumper 14
211079	Fire 7B
211083	Pumper 26 / 19
211087	Fire Truck 20*
211088	Pumper 8
211091	Fire Truck 22
211099	Pumper 24
211102	Pumper 24
211107	Pumper 27A
211121	Truck 13
211123	Pumper 31
211127	Pumper 32
211127	Pumper 32
211135	Fire Truck 35
211139	Fire H&L 3*
211144	Fire H&L 1
211150	EMS?
211151	Pumper 26
211154	Fire H&L 3
211159	Fire H&L 6*
211163	Fire Squad 1
211169	Medic 2*
211170	Medic 2*
211171	Medic 5*
211172	Medic 5*
211175	Medic 10*
211176	Medic 10
211177	Medic 13*
211178	Medic 13
211179	Abbott EMS 105
211180	Medic 14*
211181	Medic 23*
211182	Medic 23
211183	Medic 23*
211184	Medic 26*
211185	Medic 33 / 32 / 31
211186	Medic 31*
211187	Medic 32
211188	Medic 32
211189	medic 33
211190	Medic 33*
211191	medic 35*
211192	Medic 35
211194	EMS 702
211195	EMS 703
211196	EMS 704
211197	Rover 2
211201	Abbott EMS 105*
211217	zone base?
211218	Rover 1
211223	fire
211224	fire
211226	EMS 127 ?
211236	Pumper 33
211257	Medic 13
211268	Fire Truck 4A or 1A
211270	Fire Truck 4
211276	Abbott EMS 127*
211278	Pumper 29* / Medic 19?
211279	Abbott EMS 105* BLS
211529	Abbott EMS 136*
211530	BLS unit / MedicOne 28
211535	Abbott EMS 107*
211536	Abbott EMS 112*
211538	Fire Truck 30
211539	Abbott EMS 136*
211540	Abbott EMS 107*
211541	Abbott EMS 129*
211545	Abbott EMS 112* ALS
211551	medic 122
211552	Abbott EMS 129*
211567	Abbott EMS 136*
211600	Ladder 2 ??
211646	medic one 22
211660	Fire 802
211663	Fire 805
211664	Fire 801
211665	Fire 803
211667	Fire 806
211669	Fire ???
211765	truck 17
212459	Fire Dispatch 459
212460	Fire Dispatch 460
212461	Fire Dispatch 461
212462	Fire Dispatch 462
212463	Fire Dispatch 463
215500	Metro ???
215578	Metro Bus on 10409
215600	MetroLink Bus Shop ENC?
215627	MetroLink Bus Shop ENC?
215629	MetroLink Bus Shop ENC?
215632	MetroLink Bus Shop ENC?
215772	Metro 10407
215948	Metro 10407 ENC?
217170	Metro Riverboats-Amber
218032	Metro Dispatch on 10409?
232004	Police D4 unit 419? 711?
232071	Police D4 427?
232114	Park Ranger
232114	Ranger 7
232130	PD on SODD
232131	Park Ranger unit
232260	d4 police unit
232291	Ranger Base
232348	Police D4 unit
232600	Park Ranger Dispatch
232629	PD unit
232651	SLMPD D4 unit 422
232651	d4 police unit
232651	Police D4 unit
232651	d4 police unit 422
232651	PD D4 422
232651	PD D4 unit
232651	Police D4
232670	PD unit poss seargent
232726	Police D4 unit
232844	d4 police unit
232844	Police D4 427
233193	Ranger ??
233243	d4 police unit 406 (F)
233291	Park unit ?
233520	PD? unit 9114
233596	Ranger 52
234137	Police D4
201853	Police 7578 Zinkl	Metro
200493	Police 7572 Welle	Metro
200469	Police 7551 Ortbals	Metro
201816	Police 7550 Crews	Metro
232085	Police 7557 Offt	Metro
200296	Police 7574 Strittmatter	Metro
200406	Police 7576 Carrell	Metro
200799	Police 7573 Butler	Metro

 

[scanman1958]

I have the two scanners that I use in SEARCH mode and have not heard anything on those TG's. I have now programmed them in and activated an alert tone to hopefully alert me.

Is what you hear complete conversations or just a simple single transmission with no reply?

 

[scanman1958]

Oh...and are you receiving these transmissions on sites other than 201 and 205 in the city.

 

[scanman1958]

I am hearing traffic from NPS in the ONSR TG 3101 and one officer/ranger stated he did not get a response on 'Ozark All'. I checked the MOSWIN DB and did not find that. Could they also use federal VHF channels down that way?

 

[scanman1958]

Been monitoring both TG's throughout the day. I have not heard anything on them. Last night I did hear on very quick radio transmission but could not tell who it was. I will keep listening.

 

[scanman1958]

10231...tonight I heard SLFD tell a fire company to switch to fire dispatch because they were on FIRE MAIN. I am now guessing that the city will start using a second channel for regular comms similar to SLATER. This will leave the city's dispatch channel dedicated for dispatch only.

I am not sure about 10232 but I have heard the same for EMS. Maybe they will try the same.

 

[Starcom21]

I have not been listening like I was before, since I changed jobs, but has there been any actual changes?

Once in a while at home, I'll hear something, but that's it.