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Good evening,
Coronet East 013 now re-scheduled for Saturday, December 12th with RETRO 91/92 to EGUL from KWRB.
Hope this helps,
René.
There is a BLUE 42 KC-135 61-0323 coming East from Wash State assume 92nd,or93 ARW
looks like headed to McGuire. Was a 6th AMW MacDill tail till this past August 31.
They sure swap tails around every Summer.
 

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2046- COMAL 11 checking on with Gander 133.150 (LiveATC). Should put them over the threads coverage area in about 3 hours. (Only around 34 hours since they passed by eastbound).
 

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It looks like the callsign change might have something to do with the way ADSB-X is decoding oceanic data ? You'll notice civilian flights will also change from a 3 letter to 2 letter code in these areas.
I very rarely watch civilian flights outside of the northeast so that would explain why I never noticed it before. Thanks for yours and everyone elses help. There is so much to learn. I am always blown away with the knowledge here. I have learned so much and have so much more to learn.
 

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2046- COMAL 11 checking on with Gander 133.150 (LiveATC). Should put them over the threads coverage area in about 3 hours. (Only around 34 hours since they passed by eastbound).
Rgr that was a long power mission.. 3 flying crews? Bet they are ready to get out of those tails :)
2125 local Here come the SPUR tankers out of McGuire SPUR 73,74 KC-135's.
2127 KOMODO 04 #01-2005 E-8C "heavy" with GK 249.800 ready to depart area. Was out in W-386 area.push ZDC 120.975 Salisbury
2135 SHADO 22 with Dover.. Heard someone in there but wasn't showing mod e s.
2137 SHADO 22 on Pax Ops inbound 310.150
ROYAL 51 cleared takeoff Dover .. Listening to: KDOV Del/Gnd/Twr | Dover, Delaware, United States | LiveATC.net
 
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The buffs only showed after they separated from the tankers. Would they turn off transponders while refueling or just a bug with ADSBX?
 

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There is a BLUE 42 KC-135 61-0323 coming East from Wash State assume 92nd,or93 ARW
looks like headed to McGuire. Was a 6th AMW MacDill tail till this past August 31.
They sure swap tails around every Summer.
2125 local BLUE-41 KC-10 Travis 87-0119 Eastbound towards McGuire
2135 BLUE 41 trying McGuire CP 237.150 out of Western Maryland lol Good luck with that.
2140 BLUE 41 gets McGuire CP 134.100. alpha 1 req crew trans.
2151 BUFFS A/A 228.275
 
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2359 local Buffs A/A 228.275 strong signal..
Push 270.300 Harrisburg ZNY Penn from ZNY 282.300
0004 local COMAL-11 flight req direct Barksdale on ZNY 270.300
0015 COMAL-11 flight ZDC Hagerstown 227.125. non standard.
 
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2359 local Buffs A/A 228.275 strong signal..
Push 270.300 Harrisburg ZNY Penn from ZNY 282.300
0004 local COMAL-11 flight req direct Barksdale on ZNY 270.300
0015 COMAL-11 flight ZDC Hagerstown 227.125. non standard.
Couple vids on Centcom twitter about this flight.
U.S. Central Command (@CENTCOM) / Twitter

Hearing fighters COWBOYS and PSYCHO 1 flights on ZNY 292.300
Also some A/A 259.000 and 228.450

TESTER-21 A/A 256.500
 
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Would they turn off transponders while refueling or just a bug with ADSBX?

If you watch standard refueling operations you will notice the receivers track usually disappears after they hook up.

Also after joining up in formation it's common to hear ATC request that the wingman squawk standby. Although it doesn't always seem to be a standard procedure and at times you will sometimes see two or more together. I'm guessing it has something to do with it being a standard vs non standard formation and the in trail distance ?

It appears the BUFF tracks where based on MLAT fixes and not ADS-B. I'm not familiar with ADSB-X MILAT capabilities so I'm not sure why they only got a couple fixes on them westbound when they appeared to be able to track them better on the eastbound leg ?

Sorry more questions than answers, hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in.
 

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If you watch standard refueling operations you will notice the receivers track usually disappears after they hook up.

Also after joining up in formation it's common to hear ATC request that the wingman squawk standby. Although it doesn't always seem to be a standard procedure and at times you will sometimes see two or more together. I'm guessing it has something to do with it being a standard vs non standard formation and the in trail distance ?

It appears the BUFF tracks where based on MLAT fixes and not ADS-B. I'm not familiar with ADSB-X MILAT capabilities so I'm not sure why they only got a couple fixes on them westbound when they appeared to be able to track them better on the eastbound leg ?

Sorry more questions than answers, hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in.

You have way more info than I ever will so no worries. I wonder if the proximity make for mixed messages. I also wonder if they play into the anti-collision programs on the planes.
 
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