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[mdmonitor]

1500 local Got two Buffs self id on ZDC Hagerstown 227.125 blocking 260..Sounded like Valvo 01,02.

Mark

1500-Hearing them too. Only caught the "01" part of the callsign. L/C here. Heard similar sounding voice about 15 mins ago on ZNY Yardley (290.2). Didn't catch callsign there either. Now QSY to ZDC Linden (322.55). Callsigns sounds like VOLVO?? Maybe they were up in New England or maybe offshore and are now heading back to Barksdale? Now w/ZDC Montebello (284.7) Reporting 3-mile separation at FL250-FL260. They are not communicating much w/controllers--just quick check-in & check out. At 1523 lost them after Montebello.

 

[Mark]

Rgr seem to be moving from North to Southwest last had them. 1505 up on ZDC Linden low 322.550
Heard some later weak coms on 369.100 push another freq. Not sure if them. Faded fast!

 

[AirScan]

It's definitely FIRST. Have heard as such and seen it on ADS-B.

Okay thanks. I'm still hearing FIST, must be the way you guys pronounce it down there.

The two flights that came up to Griffiss got me looking into the 2 letter ADS-B idents the 71 FTS T-38 use. Looking back over the last few months I've seen these and matched them up with the following callsigns. So far from what I've seen all the 2 letter idents use the first and last letter of the callsign.

Recent active 71FTS T-38s. Probably not complete, anyone know how many T-38s they have ?

DE = DUDE
DO = DRAGGO (Arlington Flyover)
DR = DAGGER
HC = HECTIC (rare)
MG = MIG
MN = MARLIN
MR = MILLER
MO = MICRO* (rare)
PA = PANAMA (travel)
PS = PACOS* (rare)
RH = ROACH* (rare)
RY = RUBY
SG = SUNDOG
TA = TONGA
VA = VODKA
FT = FIRST (travel)

* - MICRO, PACOS, ROACH are not in Ron's callsign list. Caution - as heard by Canadian ears.

Any corrections or additions always appreciated.

 

[mdmonitor]

Okay thanks. I'm still hearing FIST, must be the way you guys pronounce it down there.

The two flights that came up to Griffiss got me looking into the 2 letter ADS-B idents the 71 FTS T-38 use. Looking back over the last few months I've seen these and matched them up with the following callsigns. So far all the 2 letter idents use the first and last letter of the callsign.

Recent active 71FTS T-38s. Probably not complete, anyone know how many T-38s they have ?

DE = DUDE
DO = DRAGGO (Arlington Flyover)
DR = DAGGER
HC = HECTIC (rare)
MG = MIG
MN = MARLIN
MR = MILLER
MO = MICRO* (rare)
PA = PANAMA (travel)
PS = PACOS* (rare)
RH = ROACH* (rare)
SG = SUNDOG
TA = TONGA
VA = VODKA
FT = FIRST (travel)

* - MICRO, PACOS, ROACH are not in Ron's callsign list. Caution - as heard by Canadian ears.

Any corrections or additions always appreciated.

Air,

Good stuff. Will add in Micro, & Roach into my list. I've never heard them use those calls. I think your PACOS is actually PECOS which I have heard them use.

I have unique ICAO identifiers for 13 71st FS T-38s.

 

[yow777]

1500 local Got two Buffs self id on ZDC Hagerstown 227.125 blocking 260..Sounded like Valvo,Baltho 01,02.

Callsigns sounds like VOLVO?? Maybe they were up in New England or maybe offshore and are now heading back to Barksdale?

Callsign is VALVO 01/02. Looks like they were out of Minot AFB.

 

[CYUL]

Caught these guys going over the city Westbound earlier today. They are over Alberta now.

 

[AirScan]

Good stuff. Will add in Micro, & Roach into my list. I've never heard them use those calls. I think your PACOS is actually PECOS which I have heard them use.

Thanks. I just noticed another one popped up as I was typing the last message. RY = RUBY. You have RUBY, as well as MILLER listed as 94FS F-22 callsigns. Do they share them ? Also I don't see HECTIC on your list either.

 

[Mark]

Air,
I have unique ICAO identifiers for 13 71st FS T-38s.

I think number was around 16 but not sure.. The 71st FTS started with 6 Holloman T-38's in 2015.
Supposed to be 17 total according to this old article. 71st FTS 'Ironmen' return to Langley > Air Combat Command > Article Display (af.mil)
Hopefully next year they will finally get those 16 T-38's from Eglin
along with their 31 F-22's.. Will keep things much busier in our area and up North

Timing for F-22 unit move to Langley still uncertain (msn.com)

 

[JetWash]

Several freq changes for ZNY from the NFDD for October 9 effective immediately:

At the Barnegat NJ RCAG:
132.15 [LOW/HIGH DISCRETE] is deleted
133.5 [LOW/HIGH] is added. Both will appear on charts

At the Barnstable MA RCAG:
121.125 [HIGH] is added but is not to be shown on charts
135.8 [HIGH OCEANIC] is deleted
381.6 [HIGH OCEANIC] is deleted. Neither high oceanic freq was charted.

At the Elk Mountain PA RCAG:
290.4 [LOW] is deleted (was not charted)
326.2 [LOW] is added and is charted
363.2 [LOW DISCRETE] is deleted (it had been charted)

At the Flint Hill PA RCAG:
307.05 [LOW] is added (not charted)
339.8 [LOW] is deleted (had not been charted)

At the State College PA RCAG:
118.55 [LOW] is added but is not charted.

The NFDD doesn't include sector names, only RCAGs. [Edit: forgot to add that I checked the notam site but found no entries for ZNY comms.]

 

[freqhopping]

I've got a tally of 16 T-38s. One is mis-coded, so who knows what that one is. Scramble lists 15 for the squadron.

Add IN = Iron,. RO (Ringo?) and SD ??.

 

[Mark]

JUMBO-71 off Dover C-5M 87-0040 asking about tanker CT time of 0045z
Two more McGuire KC-10's up coming South as CONEY-12,19.Maybe looking for some C-5M boom qualifiers.
McGuire KC-10 CONEY-41 sure running track laps off Coastal North Carolina at FL 21k.

 

[mdmonitor]

I've got a tally of 16 T-38s. One is mis-coded, so who knows what that one is. Scramble lists 15 for the squadron.

Add IN = Iron,. RO (Ringo?) and SD ??.

View attachment 112004

Travis,

SD is SUNDOG.

 

[Chris52]

CONEY12 (female voice) (Douglas KC-10A) who is showing south of Petersburg talking with someone on 238.900. Both conversations are loud and clear here.

 

[Mark]

CONEY12 (female voice) (Douglas KC-10A) who is showing south of Petersburg talking with someone on 238.900. Both conversations are loud and clear here.

CONEY-12 going to meet JEDI 22 C-17 for A/R. JEDI running a bit late.

BOEING-01 B779 N779XW on time so far enroute Dubai Airshow..
Has the Navy style folding wingtips
BOE1 Boeing Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware
#777X - Twitter Search / Twitter

 

[Chris52]

CONEY-12 going to meet JEDI 22 C-17 for A/R. JEDI running a bit late.

BOEING-01 B779 N779XW on time so far enroute Dubai Airshow..
Has the Navy style folding wingtips
BOE1 Boeing Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware
#777X - Twitter Search / Twitter

Any sign of Jedi 22 ? Seeing Coney 12 out in the Atlantic flying back.

 

[TerryPavlick]

Several freq changes for ZNY from the NFDD for October 9 effective immediately:

At the Barnegat NJ RCAG:
132.15 [LOW/HIGH DISCRETE] is deleted
133.5 [LOW/HIGH] is added. Both will appear on charts

The NFDD doesn't include sector names, only RCAGs. [Edit: forgot to add that I checked the notam site but found no entries for ZNY comms.]

132.15 is the old oceanic frequency which changed to 133.5 many years ago. Glad it only took them a "few" years to acknowledge the change.

132.15 was shifted to North Mountain as shown below

North Mountain, PA RCAG

Frequency License Type Tone Alpha Tag Description Mode Tag
121.32500 BM ZNY49 SFK-H Sector 49 Stoneyfork High AM Aircraft
128.57500 BM ZNY75 MIP-H Sector 75 Milton High AM Aircraft
132.15000 BM ZNY74 BWZ-L Sector 74 Broadway Low AM Aircraft

 

[AirScan]

Several freq changes for ZNY from the NFDD for October 9 effective immediately:

Thanks for posting. Some observations.

At the Barnegat NJ RCAG:
132.15 [LOW/HIGH DISCRETE] is deleted
133.5 [LOW/HIGH] is added. Both will appear on charts

This change took effect well over 10 years ago.

At the State College PA RCAG:
118.55 [LOW] is added but is not charted.

118.550 has been listed in the ZNY SOP since at least 2006.

At the Barnstable MA RCAG:
121.125 [HIGH] is added but is not to be shown on charts
135.8 [HIGH OCEANIC] is deleted

135.800 was switched to a ZBW frequency years ago. 121.125 has been around for a long time as well, I've heard them use it as a backup for 133.500 on occasion.

Good to see the FAA is on top of keeping the charts updated.

At the Barnstable MA RCAG:
381.6 [HIGH OCEANIC] is deleted. Neither high oceanic freq was charted.

I can't find any reference to 381.600 in either the RR Database or ZNY SOP (going back 15 years).

At the Elk Mountain PA RCAG:
290.4 [LOW] is deleted (was not charted)
326.2 [LOW] is added and is charted
363.2 [LOW DISCRETE] is deleted (it had been charted)

290.400 and 363.200 are listed as a current frequencies so the change to 326.200 might be legit ?

At the Flint Hill PA RCAG:
307.05 [LOW] is added (not charted)
339.8 [LOW] is deleted (had not been charted)

Back to the future on this one. The RR Database shows 339.800 as current but the ZNY SOP (2012) shows the frequency as 307.05.

 

[TerryPavlick]

Thanks for posting. Some observations.



This change took effect well over 10 years ago.

135.800 was switched to a ZBW frequency years ago. 121.125 has been around for a long time as well, I've heard them use it as a backup for 133.500 on occasion.

Good to see the FAA is on top of keeping the charts updated.



I can't find any reference to 381.600 in either the RR Database or ZNY SOP (going back 15 years).

381.6 shows formerly at Ship Bottom NJ

 

[AirScan]

381.6 shows formerly at Ship Bottom NJ

Thanks, I didn't see that one. I'm guessing it was changed years ago too ?

 

[AirScan]

I've got a tally of 16 T-38s. One is mis-coded, so who knows what that one is. Scramble lists 15 for the squadron. Add IN = Iron,. RO (Ringo?) and SD ??.

Thanks for that. SD might be a miscode for SG - SUNDOG ? Checking the Scramble Database I see SD has only come up once in the last 6 months ?

View attachment 112004

What database it that you posted that image from ?