Sticky Thread For Mid-Atlantic MilAir 2021

[mdmonitor]

1500 local GOLD-71 KC-10 #79-1712 off McGuire Southbound to join GOLD-61.
ACID-04 E-6B 164387 off Pax River headed for the ocean.
Nice info on McGuire runway Ron.. Got fixed just in time for Winter.Less chance to get snowed out

Sort of rules to name Navy ships..
Report to Congress on U.S. Navy Ship Names - USNI News

Yea, they said problem was "waves" in the runway and when it rains water collects in the low spots and they can't take off safely.

 

[Mark]

Gabby NOBLE's 11,12. One is having cabin airflow problems so keeping eye on it and mask on.
May have to depart early if it keeps up. Looks like Chinese food for dinner
1558 NOBLE-12 says Cabin press getting real high and will drop to FL170 or below. coordinating with ZDC 307.250
Cabin press shot up to 20 but back down again. "Says it really hurt"
1604 local NOBLE looking to rtb within 5 minutes 260.900. NOBLE-12 will declare IFE and rtb Langley.
1607 NOBLE-11 on Langley Ops 226.750 explaining press issue. Both departing for Langley on ZDC 307.250
NOBLE-11 staying with his wingman. Only about an hour or so left in CAP.Wonder if Huntress will scramble Alert guys again?
1614 NOBLE's up on ZDC 236.825 going down to FL 9k.

 

[TerryPavlick]

Gabby NOBLE's 11,12. One is having cabin airflow problems so keeping eye on it and mask on.
May have to depart early if it keeps up. Looks like Chinese food for dinner
1558 NOBLE-12 says Cabin press getting real high and will drop to FL170 or below. coordinating with ZDC 307.250
Cabin press shot up to 20 but back down again. "Says it really hurt"

Time to head home - and get the fighter fixed and take care of the crewman.

 

[Mark]

1620 NICE-12 talking to Huntress 260.900 about going to RTB so guess just ending CAP a bit early.
That was a scary moment or two.. NOBLE-12 really sounded a bit rattled when that Pressure went to 20.
Normally they were in press zone of 7-8 psi and at first his was going occasionally to 12.He found a way to manually
vent if it happened again. Might need the MA ANG again Sunday morn.

 

[MilAirNJ]

Time to head home - and get the fighter fixed and take care of the crewman.

Thanks again for providing your feed to us! Love listening!

 

[TerryPavlick]

Thanks again for providing your feed to us! Love listening!

No worries - the computer at that site is showing it's age - thinking of moving a replacement there to give me less headaches.

 

[MUTNAV]

Question came up in another forum and got me wondering.

Has anyone here ever heard a civilian ARTCC Center working voice comms with enroute traffic above FL600 ? I've never heard that myself.

I came across this while browsing through the ZBW SOP (2004).

s. Military Operations above FL600.
1. Security requirements of the military services preclude the transmission of actual Flight Level information above FL600.
2. Pilots will report their altitude as above FL600 or via code. A classified document detailing the codes is located in the control room safe.

In addition, at and above 60,000 feet I think space suits are required, a depressurization would make a persons blood boil.

Something I noted once while watching a show about the Concord SST, they showed the altitude as 54,500 feet, I guess they weren't allowed to fly any higher.

Thanks
Joel

 

[TerryPavlick]

In addition, at and above 60,000 feet I think space suits are required, a depressurization would make a persons blood boil.

Something I noted once while watching a show about the Concord SST, they showed the altitude as 54,500 feet, I guess they weren't allowed to fly any higher.

Thanks
Joel

Concorde (without "the" and add the "e" at the end), flew at normal cruise altitude of FL600. The video you were watching was either showing the altitude at cruise climb or perhaps a flight not on one of the normal supersonic routes. The departures from New York, Washington DC, London and Paris required Concorde to do a slow climb to cruise altitude which it normally reached about 60-70 percent of the way across the Atlantic (both ways). As the fuel was burned the aircraft slowly climbed to max altitude. The flight on Concorde did not require space suits - passengers wore normal business suits, dresses or other appropriate clothing for the flight. It was always neat hearing Concorde on the old New York Center oceanic frequencies (132.150 or 125.925 / 133.450) as they cross off shore of the USA coast. You could tell the aircraft was accelerating as the radio transmission usually had a wavering sound. I have tapes around here somewhere of recordings. One of these years I will dig them up and move them to something a computer can understand versus a tape recorder.

 

[wbagley]

Actually, the Concorde (what we called it at Pan Am) flew with a maximum altitude of FL600, 60,000 feet pressure altitude. They would be assigned a block altitude like FL500 to FL600 for the crossing and climb as they got lighter like you said. On warm ISA days they would not make FL600 in cruise from what I've read.

As the plane departed JFK they would get the famous 'Cleared to climb and accelerate' once they were out in the warning areas offshore. I don't think the wavering sound on an AM transmission would have anything to do with the acceleration itself, perhaps it came from the plane climbing through atmospheric layers.

Military and high altitude civilian research aircraft require a full pressure suit above FL500 in most cases.

 

[Mark]

VIP Movement Summary 17 Dec
SAM 601 (C-32 # 99-0003) Hickam AFB HI-ADW

Full flight number was SAM 50601. Don't know where the 50 comes from...Seems trip was shorted at the end due to Covid problems.
Still made it around the World Eastbound
How COVID-19 upended Blinken's diplomatic mission | WBFF (foxbaltimore.com)

 

[Hbright]

Did the MA Guard F-15s scramble because of an issue with the Langley-based jets? I heard the Ops controller say that they were cleared to "Compton airspace" when reading the scramble order.

 

[Mark]

0545 local Saw on ADSB Europe today and a couple of AZ ANG KC-135's were headed home for Holidays from Romania stop
after deployment and were on NW course towards UK then both turned around and diverted.
RCH 847 61-0294 went back SE to Germany and RCH 836 63-8036 turned SW to Spain.. Bet not happy campers.
Last minute change of orders? Bad wx ahead?
RCH-883 59-1450 AZ ANG doing Polar route home still from the UK.

 

[Mark]

Rain/Cold front really blowing thru this area this morning so CAP may be late today.
Supposed to clear out by around 9am local.

 

[BM82557]

ADSB Exchange has KC-135 58-0060 off from Pittsburgh heading east

 

[mdmonitor]

0808- Nobles working ZNY Millville (323.3) today. KC-135R # 58-0060 out of Pittsburgh coming down to join the CAP.

 

[TerryPavlick]

Did the MA Guard F-15s scramble because of an issue with the Langley-based jets? I heard the Ops controller say that they were cleared to "Compton airspace" when reading the scramble order.

If memory serves me correct the Blue Hen CAP (aka Wilmington visit) uses Compton airspace for the fighters and Reading for the refueling track.

 

[airwolfbell222]

Coming SE from Seattle a couple new NC ANG KC-46A's?
BACKY 08 and BACKY 09.

Last I heard, they're supposed to get 12 total

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1471928004981014528

 

[AirScan]

RCH 847 61-0294 went back SE to Germany and RCH 836 63-8036 turned SW to Spain.. Last minute change of orders? Bad wx ahead?

My guess is they were going to Prestwick (EGPK) like the other two ? Weather was down in freezing fog and it doesnt look like EGPK has a CATII/III ILS Approach to Runway 12 ?

EGPK 191050Z 06004KT 0600 R30/1200 FZFG OVC001 M01/M01 Q1037

a couple of AZ ANG KC-135's were headed home for Holidays from Romania stop after deployment

I don't think they stopped in Romania ? There seems to be an ADSB-X black hole over most of Romania for USAF flights, which is weird because civilian traffic and other Mil traffic seems to show up okay.

 

[Mark]

0808- Nobles working ZNY Millville (323.3) today. KC-135R # 58-0060 out of Pittsburgh coming down to join the CAP.

Quiet NOBLE's today A/A 263.200.Mentioned to tanker expect next pair at around 1645z.
When you get two Buds A/A like yesterday they never stop

Rgr Airscan checking Live Heathrow cam it is foggy their as well.Guess that foggy time of year over there.
The one RCH AZ KC-135 must have said we can divert Seville area in Southern Spain and it is sunny and 70 degrees.

 

[ak3e]

Noble 11, 12 taking over CAP. Sounds like same two pilots from yesterday.