Sticky Thread For Mid-Atlantic MilAir 2022

[Madfox]

BISON 21 (KC-135R/62-3533/914th ARW) refueling WIZARD 16 (P-8A/168441/VPU-2) along AR-206L (235.100).

Nice catch on 168441, I monitor these daily, had two up today, 168441/168854 & 168384/(169327), the latter still doing doughnuts just s/w of KNIP. Not been able to fully pin 384 down as 327 yet but my ££££ is on it.

 

[mdmonitor]

1503- Dinah 28 working PAX Approach (120.05) & tower (343.65). Asks if runway is classified as "wet" or "dry".

 

[wbagley]

1503- Dinah 28 working PAX Approach (120.05). Asks if runway is classified as "wet" or "dry".

They need to know the runway condition to calculate the landing performance, perhaps to make sure that they are legal to land on runway 14 instead of runway 24 with the gusty crosswind. The required landing performance is different in the civilian world for dispatch and actual landing, different depending on the regulations e.g. Part 91, 135 or 121 and differs according to when the aircraft was originally certified. And, any maintenance issue that can affect stopping distance like a brake or thrust reverser deactivated is sometimes a player as well. I'm not sure how the Navy does it with the E-6s, Terry Pavlick probably knows something about this subject.

For the sea lawyers, here are the wet and dry runway definitions from FAA Advisory Circular 25-31:

Dry Runway. A runway is dry when it is neither wet, nor contaminated. For purposes of condition reporting and airplane performance, a runway can be considered dry when no more than 25 percent of the runway surface area (within the reported length and the width being used) is covered by visible moisture or dampness, frost, slush, snow (any type), or ice.

Wet Runway. A runway is wet when it is neither dry, nor contaminated. For purposes of condition reporting and airplane performance, a runway can be considered wet when more than 25 percent of the runway surface area (within the reported length and the width being used) is covered by any visible dampness or water that is ⅛ inch (3 mm) or less in depth. Note: A damp runway that meets this definition is considered wet, regardless of whether or not the surface appears reflective.

 

[freqhopping]

Loudoun Co rescue is currently responding to Dulles for a reported crash on Rwy 19R.

PAT07 is the area is reporting a small single engine plane down and it's intact. Apparently off the airport somewhere.

Rescue now being sent to 21583 Megawatt Dr. Cessna-size plane lost power while on approach. Occupants out and fine.

Must be this one.

GTX502 Rescue confirms it as N732YA. Pilot says there's still 20 gallons of fuel onboard.
1710- Shared news helo N98CL is almost there and the FOX helo is on the way.
News helo feed is showing it in a field.

 

[GriffissSpotter]

Nice catch on 168441

Luckily BISON 21 missed their tail number the first time so WIZARD had to repeat it because I missed it the first time too!

 

[freqhopping]

Audio for GTX502 starts at 4:53. "Big Dee 502"
https://archive.liveatc.net/kiad/KIAD-Twr-1L-1C-Feb-22-2022-2130Z.mp3

Pilot sounded quite calm.

 

[MUTNAV]

They need to know the runway condition to calculate the landing performance, perhaps to make sure that they are legal to land on runway 14 instead of runway 24 with the gusty crosswind. The required landing performance is different in the civilian world for dispatch and actual landing, different depending on the regulations e.g. Part 91, 135 or 121 and differs according to when the aircraft was originally certified. And, any maintenance issue that can affect stopping distance like a brake or thrust reverser deactivated is sometimes a player as well. I'm not sure how the Navy does it with the E-6s, Terry Pavlick probably knows something about this subject.

For the sea lawyers, here are the wet and dry runway definitions from FAA Advisory Circular 25-31:

It's interesting that they only ask for wet or dry and the FAA only seemed to address that, in the past they would have a "RCR" Runway condition reading, where base ops hauls off down the runway with a bike wheel apparatus off of the back of a truck or car, and measures coefficients of friction. which if there were a little oil on the runway (or more rubber than normal, or anything else) would seem like a more useful thing to know.

Thanks
Joel

 

[Mark]

1745 local CLUB-42 E-4B 75-0125 comng East towards DC area burning WBFM 337.300 turning South at FL330.

 

[wbagley]

Audio for GTX502 starts at 4:53. "Big Dee 502"
https://archive.liveatc.net/kiad/KIAD-Twr-1L-1C-Feb-22-2022-2130Z.mp3

Pilot sounded quite calm.

Here's a quick edit of the IAD Tower LiveATC clip.

 

[wbagley]

It's interesting that they only ask for wet or dry and the FAA only seemed to address that, in the past they would have a "RCR" Runway condition reading, where base ops hauls off down the runway with a bike wheel apparatus off of the back of a truck or car, and measures coefficients of friction. which if there were a little oil on the runway (or more rubber than normal, or anything else) would seem like a more useful thing to know.

In an attempt to provide the desired granularity to the runway braking action reports, the FAA has come up with this Runway Condition Assessment Matrix.

 

[mdmonitor]

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2022/02/22/b-52s-complete-bomber-task-force-mission-with-czech-fighter-jets/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Air%20DNR%20Tuesday%2002222022&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Air%20Force%20-%20Daily%20News%20Roundup

 

[Mark]

Bad day for choppers. Two Blackhawks in Utah and now this old Sikorsky S-61 in Hawaii
US military responding to helicopter crash in Hawaii (myjournalcourier.com)

 

[MUTNAV]

In an attempt to provide the desired granularity to the runway braking action reports, the FAA has come up with this Runway Condition Assessment Matrix.

View attachment 117166

Perfect... I knew there had to be more to it than just wet or dry. Thank you.

Although for some reason I find the "Slippery when wet" condition (code 3) funny for some reason.

Thanks...

Joel

 

[Mark]

2130 local BLUE-91 KC-10 #79-0433 headed Eastbound from Mcguire FL330. Staging overseas no doubt.
2130 local BLUE-01 KC-10 #86-0028 off Travis Eastbound FL350

 

[wbagley]

Loudoun Co rescue is currently responding to Dulles for a reported crash on Rwy 19R.

PAT07 is the area is reporting a small single engine plane down and it's intact. Apparently off the airport somewhere.

Rescue now being sent to 21583 Megawatt Dr. Cessna-size plane lost power while on approach. Occupants out and fine.

Must be this one.

GTX502 Rescue confirms it as N732YA. Pilot says there's still 20 gallons of fuel onboard.
1710- Shared news helo N98CL is almost there and the FOX helo is on the way.
News helo feed is showing it in a field.

Nicely done.

In my opinion it is better for the pilot if there are 20 gallons of fuel onboard when the motor quits than if the tanks are empty. I've seen it done both ways.

Picture by Loudon County Fire and Rescue.

 

[Hbright]

1710- Shared news helo N98CL is almost there and the FOX helo is on the way.
News helo feed is showing it in a field.

N98CL, "NEWS1" is NBC4 DC's helo. N111TV, "CHOPPER1" is the shared helo.

 

[Madfox]

2130 local BLUE-91 KC-10 #79-0433 headed Eastbound from Mcguire FL330. Staging overseas no doubt.
2130 local BLUE-01 KC-10 #86-0028 off Travis Eastbound FL350

Germans crossing for RF for these, always use the same call sign range.

 

[Mark]

Best vid seen so far of those two Utah Blackhawk choppers near Snowbird.
Not too far from the skiers.
Snowbird Black Hawk Helicopter Crash - YouTube

 

[mdmonitor]

Posted on another list:


POTOMAC CONSOLIDATED TRACON STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES

https://vzdc.org/storage/files/PCT | Potomac Consolidated TRACON SOP_1579909027.pdf

Made for flight simulation, but has some good info

 

[mdmonitor]

0840- Storm 21 flt (H53S # 169020 & #169021) off PAX and looks to be heading for Quantico