Sticky Thread for MilAir III

[SquelchKnob]

For 135.525

A week or 2 ago I think it was Mike brought up the subject of the users for 135.525. I keep it in a recording scanner in case a CAP goes hot. I caught the following Sunday:
02/24/08 11:21:39 135.525000 AM WASHINGTON FLIGHT WATCH MARLIN 62 WML62. Overhead Norfolk.

So this MARLIN 62 called WASHINGTON FLIGHT WATCH on this freq. And he was Overhead Norfolk. He was in 2 way comms with someone but I can't confirm that it was WFW that was the 2nd party.

Just figured I would throw that out. If I hear anything else like this I will advise. This was the first I had ever heard an aircraft call WFW. If it was WFW he ended up talking to.

Hi JR,
I'd have to search the II Thread, ....Tony

Copy Tony. Just keep in mind this is the first and only instance of this I have had so far. I'll pay closer attention to my recorded audio. I can say that the freq seems to be seldom used though. For example today I have not had 1 single hit on the freq.

 

[CitationJet]

Re: 135.525

Hi JR,

I'd have to search the II Thread, but I remember hearing the controller side of Richmond area TRACON traffic on 135.525 from the Reston area sometime in early to mid 2007, so it looks as though 135.525 is used for multiple purposes given this, the GD usage, and now your post here.

Message #2853 in Sticky Thread II...

Tony

A week or 2 ago I think it was Mike brought up the subject of the users for 135.525. I keep it in a recording scanner in case a CAP goes hot. I caught the following Sunday:
02/24/08 11:21:39 135.525000 AM WASHINGTON FLIGHT WATCH MARLIN 62 WML62. Overhead Norfolk.

So this MARLIN 62 called WASHINGTON FLIGHT WATCH on this freq. And he was Overhead Norfolk. He was in 2 way comms with someone but I can't confirm that it was WFF that was the 2nd party.

Just figured I would throw that out. If I hear anything else like this I will advise. This was the first I had ever heard an aircraft call WFF. If it was WFF he ended up talking to.

 

[freqhopping]

The HAWK was up today again.
0920 Fairly certain what I heard was CROOK-21 with ZDC-Hagerstown, shortly after that 267.35 went active encrypted.
1332 CROOK-21 descending into Hagerstown
1343 CROOK-21 joins the localizer
1355 Switches to HGR tower. 120.3
267.35 was encrypted all day, generally active until 1120. Later active at 1547, burst of encryption as late as 1700ish.


Also with ZDC-Hagerstown
0928 FUZZY-11
1016 ARMY-50098 > 133.65 ZDC-Blue Ridge
1227 PAT-851 >124.4 ZOB-Blue Knob low
1237 MARINE-206
1248 PAT-951 FL110 Heading 360
1401 NAVY-301 to Johnstown and wants a practice approach too.
1500 JENA-120 climbing out from 9 to 14k
1530 JUSTICE-43 climbing. Handed to 133.975 ZDC-Potomac. Commercial,military, govt?

 

[CitationJet]

Re: JUSTICE 43

JUSTICE 43 = Boeing 737-400 N843BB opb US DOJ.

1530 JUSTICE-43 climbing. Handed to 133.975 ZDC-Potomac. Commercial,military, govt?

 

[TinEar]

1941: E-6B, 163918, VQ-4 up from Patuxent. Climbing and heading east.
1947: 918 is talking to maintenance but he's very difficult to copy. He said something about being back at 10:30-11:00 to pick something/somebody up and thanks them for all their help...310.15 (Currently still only at 11,000 feet...now heading northeast at 35 degrees)
1951: 163918 is over Waterloo (ATR) and still flying at only 11,000 feet.

 

[SquelchKnob]

1941: E-6B, 163918, VQ-4 up from Patuxent. Climbing and heading east.
1947: 918 is talking to maintenance but he's very difficult to copy. He said something about being back at 10:30-11:00 to pick something/somebody up and thanks them for all their help...310.15 (Currently still only at 11,000 feet...now heading northeast at 35 degrees)
1951: 163918 is over Waterloo (ATR) and still flying at only 11,000 feet.

Tin, remember you asked about the differences between spot 1 & 2. Look at my stiff from PAX from yesterday and note the PENTAGRAM (sp). From what I can figure out that is some sort of boom mechanisim carrying fuel and possibly power to the aircraft while on the line. I am hearing more and more aircraft asking, while inbound, if the PENTAGRAM is up and operational. When Maint advises yes the aircrew seem somewhat relieved.

This doodad appears to be only available on one spot.

 

[TinEar]

Tin, remember you asked about the differences between spot 1 & 2. Look at my stiff from PAX from yesterday and note the PENTAGRAM (sp). From what I can figure out that is some sort of boom mechanisim carrying fuel and possibly power to the aircraft while on the line. I am hearing more and more aircraft asking, while inbound, if the PENTAGRAM is up and operational. When Maint advises yes the aircrew seem somewhat relieved.

This doodad appears to be only available on one spot.

Excellent. Thanks JR. That's exactly why I asked because it was becoming obvious there was something special about one of the spots and I suspected it had to do with either fuel or specialized equipment.

 

[bpittman]

The HAWK was up today again.
0920 Fairly certain what I heard was CROOK-21 with ZDC-Hagerstown, shortly after that 267.35 went active encrypted.
1332 CROOK-21 descending into Hagerstown
1343 CROOK-21 joins the localizer
1355 Switches to HGR tower. 120.3
267.35 was encrypted all day, generally active until 1120. Later active at 1547, burst of encryption as late as 1700ish.


Also with ZDC-Hagerstown
0928 FUZZY-11
1016 ARMY-50098 > 133.65 ZDC-Blue Ridge
1227 PAT-851 >124.4 ZOB-Blue Knob low
1237 MARINE-206
1248 PAT-951 FL110 Heading 360
1401 NAVY-301 to Johnstown and wants a practice approach too.
1500 JENA-120 climbing out from 9 to 14k
1530 JUSTICE-43 climbing. Handed to 133.975 ZDC-Potomac. Commercial,military, govt?

My son is up from FL this week so I didn't get to monitor today. However, I have a contact in Hagerstown who claims to know someone at a gov contractor in HGR. He said his contact told him Hawk 65 and 31 (another bird we haven't heard yet), are their "M-Birds". That probably gets the AT&T facility near Clear Spring out of the 65 picture. After doing some research on AUTOVON and it's replacement, it would be interesting to determine what the actions is up there now..............stay tuned.

Bill

 

[Mark]

Checking tape tonite for today had what sounded like
1237 pm local ROCKS 55 and possibly ROCKS 51 though i think he mispoke saying ROCKS 51 as sounded the same as ROCKS 55.
ROCKS 55 last heard only inbound for ILS UHF runway 1 at Dover.

Anybody hear something like this inbound earlier? JR?

Mark

 

[TinEar]

2240: E-6B, 163918, VQ-4 back in the area. Just coming in from off the ocean and just about at Waterloo flying west. He said earlier he'd be back 10:30-11:00.
Currently at 16,000 feet.
2247: It's SHADOW 20 and he's requesting direct Roanake before the full stop...120.05
Says he's going to pick up some comm people and then head back to Tinker...cleared to Roanoke...cleared to 2500 feet...120.05

Also have N24JG overhead (Jeff Gordon, Inc)

 

[SquelchKnob]

2240: E-6B, 163918, VQ-4 back in the area. Just coming in from off the ocean and just about at Waterloo flying west. He said earlier he'd be back 10:30-11:00.
Currently at 16,000 feet.
2247: It's SHADOW 20 and he's requesting direct Roanake before the full stop...120.05
Says he's going to pick up some comm people and then head back to Tinker...cleared to Roanoke...cleared to 2500 feet...120.05

Also have N24JG overhead (Jeff Gordon, Inc)

Tin one of them is sitting next door running low power engines. I think he just came in. But am unsure. I saw the Deer Sweep Truck running down the Runway when I pulled up here. Oops. There he goes. Enginges running up now it sounds like.

2312: He is taxing down Alpha West heading to RWY 6 now. He is heading out of here

2313: He is on the roll. Took off from RWY 060. Just heard SHADOW 20 up 133.9. Expect 230 heading and 130 alt.

2318: 133.9 WASH CTR advised they will give direct TINKER in 24 miles

You need to trade locations with me one night Tin :lol:

 

[TinEar]

Tin one of them is sitting next door running low power engines. I think he just came in. But am unsure. I saw the Deer Sweep Truck running down the Runway when I pulled up here. Oops. There he goes. Enginges running up now it sounds like.

2312: He is taxing down Alpha West heading to RWY 6 now. He is heading out of here

2313: He is on the roll. Took off from RWY 060. Just heard SHADOW 20 up 133.9. Expect 230 heading and 130 alt.

You need to tradi locations with me one night Tin :lol:

Yeah, he didn't waste any time. He did exactly what he said he was going to do - pick up his comm people and head back to Tinker...currently climbing through 15,000 feet and heading 215 degrees at 2319. At 2321, he's up to 20K and turning more to the west now - coming around to due west 270 degrees. Up to 25K and still climbing at 2324...still 270 degrees.
He's not wasting any time...up to FL 290 by 2325 and at 360 knots.
By 2328, he's up at FL 310, still climbing and heading home. Got to FL 330 and looking for more...looks like he finally leveled off at FL 340
At 2334, he's passing just to the south of Gordonsville. (End here)
And we're at the time of night where every other aircraft in the sky is a FedEx or UPS aircraaft.

And, yes indeed, I'd like to take a listen to that ground traffic from Pax. Let's trade.

Forgot to mention earlier, I had a Czech Air Force A319-115X, tail 2801 fly into the area which I caught at 2141.

 

[SquelchKnob]

Yeah, he didn't waste any time. He did exactly what he said he was going to do - pick up his comm people and head back to Tinker...currently climbing through 15,000 feet and heading 215 degrees at 2319. At 2321, he's up to 20K and turning more to the west now - coming around to due west 270 degrees.

And, yes indeed, I'd like to take a listen to that ground traffic from Pax. Let's trade.

I still have the PCR-1000 and a PC sitting idle waiting for DX Tuners to get their ducks in row.

I thought he was sitting funny by their ramp. He was in the middle of the taxiway and did a U boob. Turned around and taxied about 700' to the end of 060 then off he went.

 

[SquelchKnob]

Checking tape tonite for today had what sounded like
1237 pm local ROCKS 55 and possibly ROCKS 51 though i think he mispoke saying ROCKS 51 as sounded the same as ROCKS 55.
ROCKS 55 last heard only inbound for ILS UHF runway 1 at Dover.

Anybody hear something like this inbound earlier? JR?

Mark

Mark, I'll be reviewing that audio tonight. But to be honest if you didnlt have it clean enough to copy him well I doubt I will. But I will make the effort. If you have any more details please put them out. Every little bit helps.

 

[SquelchKnob]

Justice

I work with a DC ANG reservist who had duty this weekend. I just caught him warming up his car to go home. I walked up and asked "Hey, who is JUSTICE?' He replied. "That is our Maintenance side, why?"

 

[SquelchKnob]

Shadow 0 (zero)

:lol: TIn, Just starting to review the audio for today. First thing this morning I had SHADOW 0 (ZERO) getting a flight clearance for the Patuxent BOX pattern. It was the first clearance given for the day from PAX.

EDIT. After reviewing the audio later into the morning CLNC DEL called them while they were still local and advised them they needed to oorrect it before departing the local area. They corrected to SHADOW 20

 

[n3bxv]

My son is up from FL this week so I didn't get to monitor today. However, I have a contact in Hagerstown who claims to know someone at a gov contractor in HGR. He said his contact told him Hawk 65 and 31 (another bird we haven't heard yet), are their "M-Birds". That probably gets the AT&T facility near Clear Spring out of the 65 picture. After doing some research on AUTOVON and it's replacement, it would be interesting to determine what the actions is up there now..............stay tuned.

Bill

Ah-Hah! "Hawk" + "M-Bird" + Hagarstown = (maybe)

- AIRBORNE RECONNAISSANCE LOW-MULTIFUNCTION (ARL-M) CRAZY HAWK, an Army ISR Aircraft program initialy built by California Microwave, which is now a unit of Northrop Grumman Corporation, operating out of Hagarstown ?

The Airborne Reconnaissance Low (ARL) is a multifunction, day/night, all weather reconnaissance intelligence asset developed and fielded by the Army in support of an urgent requirement for a low profile intelligence aircraft. It consists of a modified DeHavilland DHC-7 fixed-wing aircraft equipped with communications intelligence (COMINT), imagery intelligence (IMINT), and Moving Target Indicator/Synthetic Aperture Radar (MTI/SAR) mission payloads. The payloads are controlled and operated via onboard open-architecture, multi-func-tion workstations. Intelligence collected on the ARL can be analyzed and recorded on the aircraft workstations in real-time or stored on-board for post-mission processing. During multi-aircraft missions, data can be shared between cooperating aircraft via ultra high frequency (UHF) air-to-air datalink to allow multi-platform COMINT geolocation operations. The ARL system includes a variety of communications subsystems to support near-real-time dissemination of intelligence and dynamic retasking of the aircraft.

 

[SquelchKnob]

Patuxent River NAS (KNHK) 02/25/08

All times EST.:

SHADOW 0 135.200000 NHK-CLNC DEL 07:15:51
Cleared to Patuxent Box Pattern
918 310.150000 KNHK-VQ-4 MAINT 07:23:26
Maint advises just got a call that 514 is having issues.
Has not yet cancelled but may be a possibility.
918 advises they are going to stay in the local pattern.
If Maint hears anything to call
TESTER 77 (LEARJET) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 07:36:16
Cleared to Restricted Area
918 310.150000 KNHK-VQ-4 MAINT 07:50:40
918 advises they will call for an update on the AR track in about 45 minutes
TESTER 12 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 08:11:39
Cleared to Restricted Area 4006
TESTER 17 (T-38) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 08:18:55
Cleared to Restricted Area 4006
918 310.150000 KNHK-VQ-4 MAINT 08:31:13
Maint advises 514 cancelled.
918 advises they will stick around here locally for about 2.5 hours then full stop around 11
TESTER 03 (F-18) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 08:35:04
Cleared to Restricted Area 4006 & 8
TESTER 959 (T-6) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 09:03:17
Cleared to Restricted Area 4006
BLACKJACK 009 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 09:08:36
Cleared to West Helo Op Area
TESTER 16 (T-38) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 09:23:59
Cleared to Restricted Area
TESTER 37 (C-12) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 09:32:57
Cleared to Restricted Area
TESTER 61 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 09:37:02
Cleared to Restricted Area
TESTER 63 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 09:57:19
Cleared to West Helo Op Area
TESTER 03 (F-18) 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 10:12:07
Cleared to Restricted Area
TESTER 77 (LEARJET) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 10:16:54
Cleared to Restricted Area
BLACKJACK 335 (H-60) 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 10:19:02
Cleared ADAM via the ADAM 2 Departure
TESTER 15 (T-38C) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 10:23:47
Cleared to Restricted Area 4006 & 8
TESTER 10 (T-38) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 10:43:04
Cleared to Restricted Area
PIONEER 61 (H-60) 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 11:16:50
Cleared to Patuxent via radar vectors
918 310.150000 KNHK-VQ-4 MAINT 11:23:54
20 out. Advises the other crew that they came out here with are taking off tonight at 1600. So this aircraft needs a turn around and gas
N184PD 135.200000 NHK-CLNC DEL 11:34:29
Cleared to FRG
918 310.150000 KNHK-VQ-4 MAINT 11:36:52
on the deck
WATERBUG 815 (C-130) 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 12:50:46
Cleared to Patuxent via radar vectors
NAVY WB 108 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 13:14:57
Cleared to Cherry Point
PIONEER 61 (H-60) 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 13:25:23
Cleared to the East Area
TESTER 959 (T-6) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 14:00:29
Cleared to Restricted Area 4006
TESTER 60 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 14:24:14
Cleared to the West Helo Op Area
TESTER 14 (T-38) 384.400000 NHK-CHECK-IN 14:41:10
Cleared to the Restricted Area 4006
TESTER 61 (H-60) 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 14:56:06
Cleared to the West Helo Op Area
TESTER 63 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 14:58:57
Cleared to the West Helo Op Area
TESTER 12 (T-38) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 15:00:53
Cleared to the Restricted Area
TESTER 18 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 15:21:58
Cleared to Restricted Area 4006
PIONEER 63 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 15:22:36
Cleared to the West Helo Op Area
TESTER 16 (T-38) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 15:26:37
Cleared to the Restricted Area
PIONEER 61 (H-60) 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 15:57:44
Cleared to the West Helo Op Area
NAVY 7A501 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 16:00:39
Cleared to Binghamton
??A326 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 16:01:07
Cleared to Binghamton
TESTER 10 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 16:24:15
Cleared to the Restricted Area
413CM 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 16:26:52
Cleared to Binghamton
BLACKJACK 304 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 16:41:06
Cleared to the West Helo Op Area
TESTER 959 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 16:42:27
Cleared to the Restricted Area
TESTER 443 (P-3) 369.900000 NHK-CHECK-IN 17:34:19
Cleared to the Restricted Area 4006 & 4005 N & W
PIONEER 61 (H-60) 384.400000 NHK-CLNC DEL 18:27:47
Cleared to the West Helo Op Area
SHADOW 20 135.200000 NHK-CLNC DEL 19:21:34
Cleared to ACY via Salisbury 3 Departure
918 310.150000 KNHK-VQ-4 MAINT 19:47:39
Off the deck. Will be back around 10:30 - 11 to pick them up and drop one off

 

[SquelchKnob]

Mid Atlantic Misc. 02/25/08

All times EST unless noted otherwise.:

DEECEE 51 311.000000 LIGHTHOUSE 12:18:56
20 out. Parking at the Transient Ramp to drop off 2 crews
DEECEE 91 311.000000 LIBERATOR 14:53:08
30 out. He made 3-4 attempts to contact LIBERATOR. I do not think he was successful.
UNIDENTIFIED 139.875000 UNIDENTIFIED 00:13:13
Flight of 2. Interplane.
REACH 756 134.100000 ????? SERVICES 02:17:23

REACH 510 378.100000 ADW-CP 02:58:21

REACH 510 141.550000 ADW-CP 02:59:27

REACH 510 378.100000 ADW-CP (GRIFFIN OPS) 03:02:19
20 out. 2 dead head crews to offload going to WRI.
Uploading 2 additional dead head crews going to McCord.
The VICE Wing Commander is flying the bird.
REACH 564T 378.100000 ADW-CP 04:47:15
15 out
REACH 563T 378.100000 ADW-CP (GRIFFIN CMD) 04:49:46

JAWS 11 138.000000 OPS 08:48:23
Provides PIREP
CAN FORCE 3008 378.100000 ADW-CP (GRIFFIN CP) 08:55:25

CAN FORCE 3008 141.550000 ADW-CP (GRIFFIN CP) 09:01:58

REACH 7594 378.100000 ADW-CP (GRIFFIN CTRL) 09:34:56
Off @ 1431z
JOSA 749 141.550000 ADW-CP 10:10:20
C-21. T# 40093. 15 out. Carrying a Victor 4 plus 1
ARMY 098 251.500000 ADW-PTD 10:15:36

JOSA 152 378.100000 ADW-CP 10:32:09
30 out. 1 R-4
ARMY 24380 306.800000 NXX-BASE OPS 10:33:59
30 out. Going to the reserve ramp
VENUS 42 378.100000 ADW-CP (GRIFFIN CMD) 10:34:32
ETA 50 after the hour
VENUS 21 378.100000 ADW-CP 11:19:42
ETA 1645z
REACH 363 378.100000 ADW-CP (SAM CMD) 11:19:50
Off @ 1620z
REACH 363 349.400000 DOV-CP 11:31:52

DEECEE 51 378.100000 ADW-CP (LIBERATOR) 11:56:39
Off @ 55 past the hour
OPEC 13 319.400000 UNIDENTIFIED-CP 12:01:02
30 out
JOSA 152 378.100000 ADW-CP 12:04:41
Off @ 1659z
REACH 489 319.400000 UNIDENTIFIED-CP 12:14:11

UNIDENTIFIED 378.100000 ADW-CP 13:24:10
Inbound. C-21 T#40077
REACH 9005 319.400000 WRI-CP 14:01:24
C-5 ETA @ 25 past the hour
?single? 370 378.100000 ADW-CP 14:17:15
10 out
EVAC 50040 378.100000 ADW-CP 14:22:29
Off @ 1915z
DEECEE 51 378.100000 ADW-CP 14:35:42
20 out
DEECEE 92 378.100000 ADW-CP 16:05:59
Inbound. T# 623580
ARMY 01052 141.550000 ADW-CP 16:30:17

JOSA 991 378.100000 ADW-CP 16:37:16
T#840124. 20 out. 1 A-5
ARMY 01052 121.800000 UNIDENTIFIED 16:44:36
Trying to contact GRIFFIN OPS.
Requesting parking spot for DV drop off. Repeated same.
10 out. He had established 2 way comms.
I don’t know who he was talking to. I have this as a CLNC DEL freq for MTN
DEECEE 11 378.100000 ADW-CP (LIBERATOR) 19:00:21
30 out
REACH 7047 349.400000 WRI-CP 19:56:36

JOSA 833 251.250000 RAYMOND 16 20:02:06
ETA @ 40 after the hour
JAWS 228.900000 NORAD 09:03:46
Working with LOBO 41
LOBO 41 228.900000 NORAD 09:03:46
Flight of 2. Working with JAWS
OPEC 13 238.900000 OKIE 11 10:21:38
AR Primary. Repots on time about 48 miles north of Norfolk.
Later conducted some AR work with JAWS
692 337.00000 UNIDENTIFIED MAINT 19:11:20
692 calling MAINT. 15 out. Full Stop.
Asking if MAINT got pass down about a water leak the aircraft had yesterday.
Mentions the Quarterdeck

 

[SquelchKnob]

Ll79

0337: 133.9Have a LIMA LIMA 79 landing PAX. Unusual for anything but E-6Bs to land here at this hour.
0345: 123.7 LL-79 Up with TWR now confirming airfield lighting is on.
0347: 3 miles out. Gear down and locked for full stop

Oops Nevermind It was RL 79 A NRL bird