SWR Meter out of calibration. Can it be fixed?

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graywoulf

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I have a MFJ-873 "Grandmaster" SWR meter that is reading way high. I was getting a reading of 3.4:1 on my new antenna and a friend checked the SWR with his MFJ-259C analyzer and found the SWR to actually be around 1.3:1 give or take a point or two. I am wondering if there is any way to re-calibrate it. Seems like there ought to be anyway. Thanks.
 

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You might check the "steering diodes" that sounds like what happened when my MFJ-969 took a static hit from nearby lightning.
The 969 uses 1N34A diodes and replacing them was fairly simple.

Good Luck

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You might check the "steering diodes" that sounds like what happened when my MFJ-969 took a static hit from nearby lightning. The 969 uses 1N34A diodes and replacing them was fairly simple. Good Luck
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Thanks Bruce for the tip. I will look into it. Were you able to find service information on your meter? I'm tech savvy enough to replace components but I know nothing about these meters except how to use them. I am suspecting that this one got jarred in shipment. I bought it on ebay and the seller swears that it was fine when he sold it to me. I hope he was being straight with me as he is another ham.
 

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Luckily MFJ had the schematics available for download on my tuner. I looked at the page for your meter and it did not show up. You might look at some other meters on the MFJ site and see if any of them have the PDF available and see how close it is to your machine.

About the only thing that a jar could cause would be to the meter movement it's self and if that happened, the meter would not zero with no signal or would stick part way up the scale. It sounds like the meter is moving but not to the area expected.


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I really appreciate you taking the time to check into that for me. The meter does move fine so I guess I will see what other options I have other than just replacing it. I went to a Hamfest today hoping to find a deal on one but no luck there other than passing my General exam in less than a month of getting my Technician ticket. :D

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Have you tried connecting it to a 50 ohm dummy load to see if it reads correctly? You can put two loads together (using a "T") and it should read a 2 to 1 SWR. BB
Thanks for the suggestion but I do not have a dummy load. I will ask around to see if I can find someone who does.
 

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Have you tried connecting it to a 50 ohm dummy load to see if it reads correctly? You can put two loads together (using a "T") and it should read a 2 to 1 SWR.

And none of this was on the test..... One of the first things we learned way back many years ago. And a very valid test for most any SWR meter..

Just recently a group of Ham's learned the very hard way about high VSWR and SWR. They wondered why they could not hear some stations. High voltage reflection from a bad antenna had destroyed the receiver's RF amplifier. Their radio a ICOM IC-2300H VHF transceiver now with very bad RX sensitivity.
 
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You didn't say what the frequencies you are trying to measure are, Woulfy.

Some meters, especially the lower end ones (and unfortunately unless its a Bird, or HP- or above, that's going to be its category- but Hey, I've used those lesser-meters all the time :) )- some of the lower end meters have real quirks in their circuitry. The suggestion to first try seeing what it does into a resistive dummy load is mine also. Comparing to a known standard, like a Bird meter into an antenna is my next suggestion.

Some esoterics to consider, especially if you are measuring UHF and other high frequencies-- does the meter cover those?.. I feel you probably have that in mind, but have you considered the length of the connecting coax to the meter ?
Certain wavelength fractions can do weird things, reading-wise. Don't over look the quality of your coax connectors-- an erratic connection is a real bugger too.

Okay, if all else fails, remember that SWR readings are often estimates at best. I just put up an antenna for a friend, on GMRS-- and she got a One point 2, point 5 -- we never look at it critically, but it was "low"--- "good enuff for government work."

Remember too, worse case---- you can always use your meter for relative measurements, if you know its limitations.


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Hi Lauri and thanks for the information. I was working with 2m frequencies. 145.000 to 146.000 mHz. The meter is rated for testing between 125 - 525 MHz as listed in it's specs. The 24" OEM coupler cable was tested just fine as well. Thanks again.

Rick, KN4TSP
 

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That model of meter is supposed to be adjusted after every change in power or radio band. Do you do that before each test? Are you on the necessary power setting compared to your radio's output. Once in a while, when switching between 2m and 70cm, I'll forget to adjust the meter and the new SWR will be ridiculously high.

For FM, you'll want the little orange button to be 'out', to measure average RF power and not PEP.
 

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That model of meter is supposed to be adjusted after every change in power or radio band. Do you do that before each test? Are you on the necessary power setting compared to your radio's output. Once in a while, when switching between 2m and 70cm, I'll forget to adjust the meter and the new SWR will be ridiculously high. For FM, you'll want the little orange button to be 'out', to measure average RF power and not PEP.
Thanks for the heads up on the settings but to answer your question, yes I do make the proper settings before calibration and testing. I only have used it for 2m so far and it was checked by a friend who is Extra class using his MFJ-259C analyzer.
 

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You said>>'it was checked by a friend who is Extra class using his MFJ-259C analyzer'.

Well there is your problem, who in their right mind would use a milliwatt output at best antenna analyzer to test a vswr/power meter that requires at least 30dbm to obtain any meter movement.

That entire extra class ham remark makes no sense at all because the mfj259c and all other mfj analyzers cannot produce a signal to drive the meter properly as the output level is only a couple of dbm at best.

Ask your extra class friend what the mfj swr/power meter displayed when he connected the 259 analyzer to it and pleease tell us his answer.
 

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Forgive my ignorance in the remark I made. I am new to all of this. I guess that I meant that his analyzer was showing a totally different SWR than my 873 meter was showing. My 873 meter was reading the same high reading on two separate and totally different antennas that I have recently installed. My friend and I could only surmise that my meter was faulty considering the reliability of his analyzer. I am learning about this stuff as I go.
 

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What difference would the subject meter's reading make? That isn't where the analyzer should be connected. Connect the analyzer to the line from the meter to the antenna to see what that meter is "seeing".

And exactly what does that "extras" license class have to do with anything?
 

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Really, if two meters do not agree on a reading, you need to bring in a third. :p

Are you confident the antenna analyzer was set up correctly? Read the manual and confirm, not because you don't trust your friend, but it would be good practical experience. Heck, you should run the analyzer yourself if he will part with it.
 

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Call MFJ , they are very friendly and helpful , a quick call to tech support and you will have a much better answer to what is going on .
 

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Call MFJ , they are very friendly and helpful , a quick call to tech support and you will have a much better answer to what is going on .
Thank you for your helpful straight to the point suggestion. I have replaced the 873 with a 259B analyzer but I will call them to see what they suggest I do.
 

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And exactly what does that "extras" license class have to do with anything?

It was my way of saying that I had help from someone who has years of experience helping me. Why you are fixated on that is a mystery to me.
Anyway, it does not matter anymore. I have ordered a MFJ-259B analyzer for myself to replace the defective MFJ-873 meter.

This matter is closed as far as I am concerned.
 
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