cellblock776
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agreed. Fortunately I am neither.
Talking on ham frequencies
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nmfire10
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Cellblock is one of our "special" members at FH.com. From improvised explosive devices to having sex with goats, he covers it all. Rest assured, just when you think something can't get any crazier, he proves otherwise. So much so, he was banned by the admin and re-registered.
afterimage84
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nmfire10 said:
ahh, ok that explains it... a nut, is a nut, is a nut... this is the kind of guy u pull over and wonder..."why?" as he tells u that he is "one of you, and USED to be on the job somewhere" blaa blaa blaa
ShawnCowden
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Get your ham liscenses its not like a rocket science to get them. then u can talk anytime u want to on ham
good luck
http://shawndalecowden.tripod.com has the info u need for ham radio info
good luck
http://shawndalecowden.tripod.com has the info u need for ham radio info
PanJurekMrJerry
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From an above quote " Anyone may use any frequency to call for help in a situation that is an IMMIDIATE LIFE THREATENING EMERGENCY"
That is NOT true, it is an old wise tale. Show me anywhere in the FCC rules where it says you can do that. Don't just tell me what you think, give me the exact rule section.
That is NOT true, it is an old wise tale. Show me anywhere in the FCC rules where it says you can do that. Don't just tell me what you think, give me the exact rule section.
northzone said:
Here is the rule:
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
COMMISSION (CONTINUED)
PART 97_AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE--Table of Contents
Subpart E_Providing Emergency Communications
Sec. 97.403 Safety of life and protection of property.
No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station
of any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential
communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human
life and immediate protection of property when normal communication
systems are not available.
This Rule pertains to stations in distress:
[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 5]
[Revised as of October 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR97.405]
[Page 645]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
COMMISSION (CONTINUED)
PART 97_AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE--Table of Contents
Subpart E_Providing Emergency Communications
Sec. 97.405 Station in distress.
(a) No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur
station in distress of any means at its disposal to attract attention,
make known its condition and location, and obtain assistance.
(b) No provision of these rules prevents the use by a station, in
the exceptional circumstances described in paragraph (a) of this
section, of any means of radiocommunications at its disposal to assist a
station in distress.
[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 5]
[Revised as of October 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR97.405]
[Page 645]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
COMMISSION (CONTINUED)
PART 97_AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE--Table of Contents
Subpart E_Providing Emergency Communications
Sec. 97.405 Station in distress.
(a) No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur
station in distress of any means at its disposal to attract attention,
make known its condition and location, and obtain assistance.
(b) No provision of these rules prevents the use by a station, in
the exceptional circumstances described in paragraph (a) of this
section, of any means of radiocommunications at its disposal to assist a
station in distress.
Sorry, that does not say Anyone can use Any frequency in an emergency.
Ahahhh...I missed the part where is says ANYONE....I thought this post was refering amatuer communications.... I have found areas for specific licensee emergency communications, but I have not found one that does address anyone...
Just wanted to add something to this. If you are being paid for the work you are doing then you can't use ham radio. Our ESDA director is being paid to be the ESDA director so he can't use ham radio to talk to his spotters unless it is live or death. Same goes if they are out on a search and rescue, as long as you are being paid you can't use ham radio.
Correction: If you pay for your ticket and pass all the required tests for your level of expertise on siad ticket it does not matter what you do for a living, you are allowed to use your HAM radio as long as you follow the official giudelines for its usage. Sayhing that if you are paid to blah blah youcant use your ham is nonsense. In that case you might as well tell every professional NOAA, EMA, and Law Enforcement Agency employee that has a HAM Ticket that because they are paid professionals they cant use thier HAM radios. If that was the case, then the basic structural setup of SKYWARN, would have to be shut down.
cellblock776
Member
As long as you aren't getting paid to work as a Ham operator it should be fine. If you are a Ham who is working as a deputy and you see a severe weather event you can use your ham radio to call it in to the SKYWARN net.
I've been assigned to hurricane shelter duties by my Fire Chief mainly because of my Ham License. Though I was handling radio communication with the Red Cross and EOC for the shelter, I was there as a Firefighter/EMT which was my primary reason for being there. I wasn't getting paid for being a Ham Operator which was what the rules cover.
I've been assigned to hurricane shelter duties by my Fire Chief mainly because of my Ham License. Though I was handling radio communication with the Red Cross and EOC for the shelter, I was there as a Firefighter/EMT which was my primary reason for being there. I wasn't getting paid for being a Ham Operator which was what the rules cover.
You can check with the ARRL because that is who I asked. They said that if you are being paid for what you are doing you can't use ham radio to help you in that job. As with an ESDA director talking with his ham radio weather spotters. Unless it is live or death. In other words if a spotter is reporting something like hail or high winds, unless it is live or death he can't use ham radio. So a deputy out in his squad working could not use ham radio for anything but live or death reporting. This is not to say he can't talk on it to his friend while out working he just can't use it for anything he is being paid to do. Not sure if that makes more since or not but the bottom line is if you are being paid you can't use ham radio to assist you in the job.
If I can find my email from the ARRL I will copy it here.
Ben
If I can find my email from the ARRL I will copy it here.
Ben
Below is a copy from the email I received from the ARRL about this. As for what cellblock776 is saying if he is being paid to be there and is on the radio he is being paid to be a ham radio operator. He is not talking on the radio for his own use. I think allot of us have done this without thinking about it. Our local ESDA now uses the local public safety trunked radio system for the stormspotters.
Ben,
You are correct. If they are being paid to do a particular job, they can't use Amateur Radio on behalf of their employer. There isn't a problem with operating an amateur station while being paid to do ones job, but the communications can't be made on behalf of ones employer. For example, I can't operate an amateur station while I am paid to, say, solicit ARRL memberships over-the-air. Amateurs may, however, conduct their own personal business over Amateur Radio, as long as it is not on behalf of their employer. Correct, if they are not being paid to do a particular job, it is perfectly acceptable to use Amateur Radio.
The exception is if there is no other available means of communication and it is a life or death emergency. What many emcomm people do is appoint other unpaid people to conduct the communication while the person in charge coordinates the operation. 73,
John, N1KB
John C. Hennessee, N1KB
Regulatory Information Specialist
Field and Educational Services Department
ARRL--the national association for AMATEUR RADIO
225 Main St.
Newington, CT 06111
Phone: 860-594-0236
FAX: 860-594-0259 (specify JCH)
E-mail: n1kb@arrl.org
jhenness@arrl.org
reginfo@arrl.org
Encourage a non-member to join ARRL today at www.arrl.org/join.html. Through its Newington, Connecticut and Washington, DC offices, ARRL provides extensive services to Amateur Radio operators
Ben,
You are correct. If they are being paid to do a particular job, they can't use Amateur Radio on behalf of their employer. There isn't a problem with operating an amateur station while being paid to do ones job, but the communications can't be made on behalf of ones employer. For example, I can't operate an amateur station while I am paid to, say, solicit ARRL memberships over-the-air. Amateurs may, however, conduct their own personal business over Amateur Radio, as long as it is not on behalf of their employer. Correct, if they are not being paid to do a particular job, it is perfectly acceptable to use Amateur Radio.
The exception is if there is no other available means of communication and it is a life or death emergency. What many emcomm people do is appoint other unpaid people to conduct the communication while the person in charge coordinates the operation. 73,
John, N1KB
John C. Hennessee, N1KB
Regulatory Information Specialist
Field and Educational Services Department
ARRL--the national association for AMATEUR RADIO
225 Main St.
Newington, CT 06111
Phone: 860-594-0236
FAX: 860-594-0259 (specify JCH)
E-mail: n1kb@arrl.org
jhenness@arrl.org
reginfo@arrl.org
Encourage a non-member to join ARRL today at www.arrl.org/join.html. Through its Newington, Connecticut and Washington, DC offices, ARRL provides extensive services to Amateur Radio operators
jhooten
Member
So amateur radio in the class room is dead then? The teacher is making transmissions on behalf of the employer since they are useing radio to teach the students.
I don't know about the teachers. If you look at what that says you could be right. But if they are doing it just to show ham radio to the kids that would be ok. Would be a good question for the ARRL. Do you know if teachers are teaching ham radio to the kids?
KR4BD
Member
Licensed Hams who are also Teachers can legally use ham radio in the classroom for educational & science purposes. A local teacher I know here uses ham radio in his classroom to make contact via satellites and has even talked to one of the space shuttles. He is not making money from the use of the radio, but is TEACHING kids about amateur radio's many uses and applications. Many students in these classes go on the get their ham licenses after seeing such activities in the classroom. Also, there are many schools and universities that have ham stations that are managed by teachers and professors who act as trustees for these school stations. FCC rules require these stations to have a Trustee. This is all legal as long as they do NOT use the radios for any profit making activities---OR--- accept money for using them in NON Educational activities or for any other purpose involving money. Their pay as a teacher, in this case, is incidental to the use of ham radio and is allowed by FCC rule.
Tom, KR4BD
Volunteer FCC Examiner (ARRL, WCARS, W5YI groups)
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N_Jay
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Dictionary definition.KB9LIQ said:
on behalf of
As the agent of; on the part of.
So you can not use it "As the agent of" the employer.
KR4BD
Member
ATTENTION KB9LIQ and others.....
You CAN use ham radio in the classroom if you are a teacher as I mentioned above. I dusted off my copy of PART 97 of the FCC rules...
Here it is:
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Part 97.113 Prohibited Transmissions
A control operator may accept compensation as an incident of a teaching position during periods of time when an amateur station is used by that teacher as a part of classroom instruction at an educational institution.
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This is done LEGALLY all the time by science teachers who are hams. If you are an ARRL member, you will frequently see stories in QST about classes learning about radio communications and that many students go on the get their licenses. Here in Kentucky, a professor at the University of KY encourages his engineering students to get licensed and gives extra class credit if they do. Last year, we had dozens of UK students show up at our test sessions. In another situation, an elementary school here in KY had Amateur classes for their students and about 30 of them got their Technician licenses.
Trust me, teachers in the classroom can use Ham radio for educational purposes even though they are paid by the school.
Tom, KR4BD
Volunteer FCC Examiner (ARRL, WCARS, W5YI)
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