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I've been holding off my questions in order to get more responses (it seems these threads disappear after 5 days and most users these are targeting log in maybe once every other week or so).

Also, I think it would be beneficial if the Texas Forum would create a Texas DPS Sticky. It seems that with the conversion to digital over with, that a smaller sticky could be warranted for all the out-of-staters whose typical question is "What frequencies do I need to plug in to listen to *insert dispatch center here*?" I think a sticky could help resolve this.

Back to my main questions (and if I recall a couple Troopers frequent this site, so maybe they could offer some insight).

My first group of questions is about numbering (and don't refer me to the much linked thread here or here). I've read them. In post #11 of the second linked thread above, 225Texas states that, in Houston, the 90XX are DL Troopers. Does this hold true across the state? I hear many 92XX and 93XX between San Antonio and Austin- I was wondering if these are DL Troopers or CLE or what have you... any body have a clue as to what these 92XXs and 93XXs are? I've also heard 2 96XXs (one calling SA and one calling Austin).

Now, concerning TABC. I have noticed listening to TABC (when I rarely hear them), that they are using 4-digit numbers similar to DPS (and can't dig the thread up right now- but remember someone saying that TABC uses thier old DPS unit numbers- given that they are prior DPS). Is this true? In the second link above, post #16, rattlerbb, posts that 6445 is TABC (rattler- how do you know? Did you meet him?). Is there a way to tell if these units are TABC? Secondly, does TABC also hop on to the DPS bandplan and use it? Could I have been hearing them all along on the DPS freqs and not really realized they were TABC?

Second-to-last, what about Rangers. These guys are all over the state, in multiple companies, surely every now and then one of them uses a radio (but how could I tell). Anyone have any radio frequency info on the Rangers or are they all using cell phones?

Lastly, (not really- more questions will follow ya'll's replies), rattlerbb also posts that a 91XX is a game warden near him. Now, I hear 92XXs and 93XXs but I hardly believe these are game wardens in my area because on the Texas P&W freqs I only catch the same 6 or 7 game wardens and they are all 51XXs (I'm live in P&W Region 5). How would we know whether they were game wardens or not on the DPS frequencies?

I have been listening to DPS for awhile now and these are the few remaining questions I can't resolve by myself, so I have turned to the Texas community for help. I'd like to be able to come up with a user created "Sub-Region" map- shouldn't be too hard. Don't let this thread die and if an admin reads this, maybe we could think about a Texas DPS sticky so we could link all the old archives threads.
 

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As far as TABC, yes, I did meet the,. When I was younger and working at the Grimes County Jail, they arrested and booked some people for PI a few times. 644X is a TABC designator at least around these parts, and the Walker County TABC guy was something like 6556. Same for the Game Wardens around here. I have met them as well, and know for a fact that they are all numbered 91XX in this area. I have never heard a Game Warden use DPS frequencies, only local SO or their own freqs.

I once, and only once, heard Ranger Wells use 2B45 when calling Grimes County SO about a pending arrest.
 

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TABC Regions

As far as TABC Regions, I would assume they use a similar numbering scheme but their region map (here) denotes that Comal County is in Region 5 (and Hays/Travis in Region 4) so I would be hearing 5XXXs or 4XXXs. I've only heard one TABC officer's unit number during a radio test and he confirmed he was in San Antonio and was a 35XX.

So if rattler is hearing a 6XXX unit number they must not use their own Region numbers as identifiers like DPS.

Following this same logic and the Texas Parks and Wildlife Region Map (here) we would notice that a Region 9 doesn't exist for "Park Regions." However they have an Enforcement division map (here) which shows 10 regions. Me living in Comal and Hays counties, and hearing 51XXs call in to SA and Austin, I imagine they do use the same type numbering as DPS.

Any comments...

Still many unanswered questions up there...
 

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As for Game Wardens aka Texas Parks & Wildlife Enforcement Division, I hear everything from 82XX to 98XX numbers depending on the repeater. Also I know Radio techs are 3 digit numbers. Their Region [6] then themselves [01]

While I know TABC carry a radio, who is on it and where they dispatch to is beyond me. I watched a TABC officer talk on his radio while I scanned State and local channels and never heard him. including the TABC radio assignments.

I saw a map one time which explained the jurisdictional boundaries for DPS. where 1157 actually is a patrol area again [1] denotes the region [157] denoted the patrol area. but I can't find that map anywhere on or off line.
 
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Good chance that is it. but Nothing will open for me thanks to my GARBAGE ISP. will look at it later. But I think that is it. thanks.
 

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I'm at work so I was able to use our PDF editor to pull this out of the RACES manual(pg 22). Sorry a few numbers are chopped, but that came about from me reducing this to be an uploadable size for the forum.
 

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This might delineate some sub-regions but doesn't account for all the unit numbers we hear. I have logged plenty of 3300s-3600s, as well as 6300s-6600s. The RACES map only shows 2 sub-regions in both those Regions, so this doesn't account totally for the units I hear..

Max, you live in LE Region 8 of the TPWD, so it makes since that you hear the 82XXs. However, LE Region 9 serves Temple, College Station and Austin (view LE Region Maps here) so I do not know why you would be hearing them... this is confirmed by russel's statement that he is hearing some 91XX in Navasota.
Do you specifically hear them on TDPW frequencies?
I live in TDPW LE Region 5 and hear mostly 51XXs, so this follows the same numbering convention.

I didn't see any TABC TGRPs on STARNET, LCRA, or the Middle Rio Grande TRSs though many other state agencies have TGRPs. I wonder if they have an unidentified TGRP on some of these that are just rarely used? What about other TRSs, is TABC popping up anywhere besides their conventional frequencies? The reason I feel we may hear them on TRSs is because their LE duties aren't a daily occurrence so why would they need to staff a full time dispatcher- why couldn't they just flip over to a TGRP and ask the local city PD for the info? Just a thought.

All of your feedback is much appreciated.
 

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I have heard the TABC offices in Wichita Falls and Fort Worth before.
Their dispatcher is probably the office secretary or something.

There is a TABC talkgroup on the Fort Worth trunked system but I never heard any activity on it when I lived in the area, only on 156.060.

Back about 1980 or so when I ived in El Paso I used to hear TABC units all the time on the DPS channel. They used callsigns like "ABC 801". I think that was back before they got their own system. Also a few Border Patrol vehicle had low band DPS radios back then.

The only Rangers I have ever heard (that I knew were Rangers) had 3 digit callsigns and as far as I know they never had their own frequencies.

FBI agents used to have callsigns with 2 numbers that ended with J like "52J"
I heard those both in El Paso and Wichita Falls years ago.

The only time I have ever heard TPWD talk to DPS was on 155.370/154.950. I don't recall ever hearing them on the regular DPS channels.

The DPS must have changed alot of things in recent years because I have heard more new alphanumeric callsigns on the DPS radio and now I don't have a clue what they are.
 
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I have heard the TABC offices in Wichita Falls and Fort Worth before.
Their dispatcher is probably the office secretary or something.

This is what I figured as well, no need for a full time dispatcher (which is also why I figured they'd have access to local TRSs).

The only Rangers I have ever heard (that I knew were Rangers) had 3 digit callsigns and as far as I know they never had their own frequencies.

You might have answered my next question. I have heard multiple 3 digit numbers hailing DPS San Antonio, off Repeater 21. Most of these numbers are in the low 100s and I had never truly id'ed who these might belong to. A couple have run 29 checks, others have just replied 10-41/42. For the life of me I never could figure out these unit ids. You might have just solved it.

The DPS must have changed alot of things in recent years because I have heard more new alphanumeric callsigns on the DPS radio and now I don't have a clue what they are.

Where are you hearing alpha-numeric out of? I've never heard any alphanumeric ids (sans the DPS K9s) out of San Antonio.

Lastly, what does it take for a DPS officer to get Governor's Mansion duty? I've heard a few regular (I suppose) troopers say 10-41/42 with "Mansion Duty."

You guys are a great resource.
 

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I wonder if the Radio tech's I heard using 3 digit numbers were imposters and really Rangers talking about their radio's?

Good God, that's a great Link for the TDPW maps. I have no clue why I am hearing 90XX units. I generally hear them on Southern Repeaters like Emory. Maybe because the Emory repeater might be set up like another repeater in region-9 and I'm catching some skip.

I know TABC has a TG-ID on Waco TRS but they rarely use it. Here is something that happened a few weeks ago up here. TABC showed up to a Party No Adults all minors LOTS of Alcohol! two units, And it was in Fannin Co. but just barely. So I scanned Collin, Fannin, DPS, Grayson SO and TABC channels. I literally watched the TABC officer run about 15 28's and NEVER heard him on Grayson, Fannin, Collin Dispatch or Info Channels or Sherman or Greenville DPS. His radio was a Motorola. (Could not get close enough to see the antenna) Now I did NOT have Texas Inter-op channels scanning so maybe he was on V-Call or 8-Call.

Lindsey had a Document called "Texas Radio Task Force" back in the old days of Trunked radio.net. this document showed the number of radio's and bands used for each department in the State of Texas. Does anyone know if one of these still exist and might be currant? It would give us (State Scan Enthusiast guys) something to look at to find stuff.

David, yes I have seen that map. But I also have seen one in full color with More detail that showed the Actual trooper districts for each county and the Supervisors and their supervisory jurisdictions. But that's a great map too.

Does anyone know of a TDPW Region map fully intact (showing all the regions but as the State of Texas as a whole?) in PDF?
 
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The DPS communicatons people now have units that start with R and 3 numbers.
When I lived in Hurst a few years ago sometimes I heard units with xyxx callsigns where x=number and y=letter. I have no idea what they are.

I forgot in my last post that back in the 80's the DEM (Div. of Emergency Management) and Narcotics Service also had 3 digit number callsigns. I don't know if they still do.
 

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Lindsey had a Document called "Texas Radio Task Force" back in the old days of Trunked radio.net. this document showed the number of radio's and bands used for each department in the State of Texas. Does anyone know if one of these still exist and might be currant? It would give us (State Scan Enthusiast guys) something to look at to find stuff.

I saw something like that recently. It had to do with interoperability. will try to find the link for it.
 

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As far as DPS is concerned, here is a list of highway patrol regions/subregions and their first two digits:
Region 1A: 11XX, 13XX
Region 1B: 12XX, 14XX
Region 1C: 10XX, 15XX
Region 2A: 21XX, 23XX
Region 2B: 22XX, 24XX
Region 2C: 20XX, 25XX
Region 3A: 31XX, 33XX
Region 3B: 32XX, 34XX
Region 3C: 30XX, 35XX
Region 4A: 41XX, 43XX
Region 4B: 42XX, 44XX
Region 4C: 40XX, 45XX
Region 5A: 51XX, 53XX
Region 5B: 52XX, 54XX
Region 5C: 50XX, 55XX
Region 6A: 61XX, 63XX
Region 6B: 62XX, 64XX
Region 6C: 60XX, 65XX
Region 8A: 81XX, 83XX
Region 8B: 82XX, 84XX
Region 8C: 80XX, 85XX

Going off of that, the third digit is the sergeant area. Grimes County and Waller Counties are under post 2C-04. The Sergeant is 2504. The Grimes County guys are 2040's and the Waller County guys are 2540's. The Bryan Sergeant is 6501, his troopers are 6510's. The Huntsville Sergeant is 2503, his troopers are 2530's. The Montgomery County Sergeants are 2502 and 2506. Their troopers are 2510's, 2520's, and 2060's. The Commercial Vehicle Enforcement officers usually always have a 6 or 7 as their second digit, thereby not following the subregional numbering system the THP has in place. The narcotics guys are numbered in the 9000's these days, and the rangers are alphanumeric. The radio and dispatchers are RXXX, with the first X being the region they are in.
This is coming from a veteran DPS radio operator and dispatcher, so take it for what it is. I have always wanted a look at her computer based listing of every unit number, but because it not only has their assignments, but also their names, quite honestly, I have no business seeing that. It would be a big officer safety compomise if that were to be viewed by somebody from outside the agency.
 

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David, yes I have seen that map. But I also have seen one in full color with More detail that showed the Actual trooper districts for each county and the Supervisors and their supervisory jurisdictions. But that's a great map too.

A full color one would be nice with the sub-regions. Please post if you locate it, or if anyone else knows of this, please share.

Does anyone know of a TDPW Region map fully intact (showing all the regions but as the State of Texas as a whole?) in PDF?

I have never seen a TDPW LE Region map that is fully intact. They do have the park region map (here) but it is not the same as the LE regions, so isn't really applicable to the Game Wardens.

rattler, I definitely trust your source but the information doesn't jive with the explanation we have in the files (here). The X6XX for CVE is the same but says the other CVE numerical identifier is an X8XX. I'm glad your source clarified this as I have never heard a X8XX anywhere, but have confirmed that X6XX is CVE. As for the sergeant identifiers our file says any unit number ending in "0" is a sergeant (any multiple of 10). Can your "source" verify a scheme to numbering the sergeants and can we update our file to reflect this?

Also, the last thing really not meshing is the 7XXXs and 9XXXs. I figured 7XXX were Capital DPS (Region 7). I've heard a few run licenses through San Antonio and Austin. Are these some civies or are they Capital DPS? I've heard many 9RXX (R=2,3 and 6s), that normally just go 10-41/42 so I figured they were just some specialized units. Our file says the the third number (9XRX) is the region identifier- I know this is wrong because calling into San Antonio and Austin I've had R= 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, & 9, and obviously I haven't heard people from all these regions (not even a Region 9) so this should be changed.

Lastly, I asked a little while back if anyone knew who the "Paul" units were. They (I've only heard 3) always identify as "Paul 5-0-X" (I've only heard them call San Antonio and usually just go 10-41/42). Any clue who these could be? I've been told they were just fleet employees but this begs more questions:
a). why not just use an "F" for fleet? Why the full name "Paul?"
b). what other alpha identifiers are used (besides the R for radio techs, which I have never heard)?
c). if they are fleet, why haven't I heard them in Austin, where the fleet facility is?

Again thank ya'll so much for bearing with the never ending questions. It looks like my confusion may, in part, have been caused by the file that might contain out-of-date information.
 

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Game warden call signs are designated by 4 digits. First digit is region. Second digit is district. third & fourth is call numbers. Wildlife dept is designated by 5 digits. All 00 digits is field supervisors. First digit is wildlife. Second is region. Third has no meaning. Fourth & Fifth is call sign.I have in my lists ch 6 (Parks & Wildlife) as 151.34 ,ch 7 as 151.34,ch8 as 159.345 Repeater (input 151.4 or151.205) can anyone confirm these channels as being correct? Also P&W has 151.19 (TFS Tac3)& 151.31 (TFS Tac5) licensed what channel designator are these for P&W , I believe these are to communicate with TFS.
 
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have in my lists ch 6 (Parks & Wildlife) as 151.34 ,ch 7 as 151.34,ch8 as 159.345 Repeater (input 151.4 or151.205) can anyone confirm these channels as being correct? Also P&W has 151.19 (TFS Tac3)& 151.31 (TFS Tac5) licensed what channel designator are these for P&W , I believe these are to communicate with TFS.

Back before they had programmable radios with with alpha tags it was:
1 159.27/151.265
2 151.415
3 154.95
4 155.37/154.95
5 151.355
6 151.34
7 151.31
8 159.345/151.400

I don't know what they have in the radios now and don't know what the others frequencies are used for.
There are also some repeaters on 151.295/159.45 and I never figured out what they are used for.
 

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Does anyone know of a TDPW Region map fully intact (showing all the regions but as the State of Texas as a whole?) in PDF?


Max look here on the TPWD site...not PDF but still shows the whole state.

Also if you click on the regions it shows the districts too
 
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Game warden call signs are designated by 4 digits. First digit is region. Second digit is district. third & fourth is call numbers. Wildlife dept is designated by 5 digits. All 00 digits is field supervisors. First digit is wildlife. Second is region. Third has no meaning. Fourth & Fifth is call sign.I have in my lists ch 6 (Parks & Wildlife) as 151.34 ,ch 7 as 151.34,ch8 as 159.345 Repeater (input 151.4 or151.205) can anyone confirm these channels as being correct? Also P&W has 151.19 (TFS Tac3)& 151.31 (TFS Tac5) licensed what channel designator are these for P&W , I believe these are to communicate with TFS.


That is weird because i was at the lake yesturday and the Game Warden was talking on 151.35500 CT110.9. my region is 2 McLennan county in waco but this whows to be region 1 and he was talking on CH 5.
 
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