Total Newbie , howto listen to local law enforcement and fire

HB-Texas

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Total Newbie , howto listen to local law enforcement and fire Smith county Texas area,. Son got me a Uniden bc75xlt for Christmas .
I have searched and found all the local freq I could find and used the BC75 software to load them in the scanner. But have heard only few beeps and static..
I can go online and listen to our local pd . so I know they are yapping.
Was hoping for local law,. fire depts. and the like . attached is the file freq I have put on scanner bank 1
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Try programming in the NOAA weather channels and see if you hear them:
162.400
162.425
162.450
162.475
162.500
162.525
162.550

You may need to take the scanner outside, some home construction can effectively block RF. External antennas are often needed for good indoor listening.
 
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Welcome to the RR forums. Unfortunately the BC75XLT isn't the correct tool for the job. You'll need a P25 capable scanner to bring in Smith County on TXWarn. Even though the system is Phase-II capable, talkgroups in your county are FDMA (mode "D") so any scanner on this list should work
 
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If you are going to be listening to Tyler public safety they are on a Simulcast system that requires a Uniden SDS100 or SDS200 so you don't get simulcast distortion. If you are a bit of distance from Tyler then a Uniden BCD325P2 or BCD996P2 may work for you to pick up Tyler but it is luck of the draw with your location and reception.

You can also listen to Tyler and Smith county on Broadcastify on your computer or phone (via special phone apps).
 

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Try programming in the NOAA weather channels and see if you hear them:
162.400
162.425
162.450
162.475
162.500
162.525
162.550

You may need to take the scanner outside, some home construction can effectively block RF. External antennas are often needed for good indoor listening.
yes I get the weather, Man sons gonna be pretty upset about that.. Is what it is. I am sure its good for other listening ? Local VFD ?
 
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I am sure its good for other listening ? Local VFD ?
There are some VHF frequencies still listed for Dixie, Lindale and Whitehouse, but not sure they are still used. Most everything has gone to the TxWarn system P25 Phase 1. Maybe someone in your area will chime in and let you know what's available on the bc75xlt.
 

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yes I get the weather, Man sons gonna be pretty upset about that.. Is what it is. I am sure its good for other listening ? Local VFD ?

Not familiar with your area, but there's some suggestions above.

Yeah, you can't listen to the digital trunked system, but there's still stuff out there.

Any of the FM stuff is compatible with your scanner. Schools, VFD, some law enforcement, amateur radio, FRS, GMRS, etc.
 

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yes I get the weather, Man sons gonna be pretty upset about that.. Is what it is. I am sure its good for other listening ? Local VFD ?
Most of the agencies in your area use TxWARN, the trunked system, that Whiskey3 mentioned. But, looking at notes on the Smith County page, and as Enforcer has mentioned, it appears that most usage is on the the on the trunked system. Just glancing at your list of what you've programmed, you have a number of the conventional (non-trunked) frequencies programmed, but they might not be actively using them, just keeping them in case something happens to TxWARN. While the Tyler site is simulcast, there are a couple of other sites in the county that are not simulcast, but still would require a scanner capable of tracking a digital trunked system in order to listen. For the outlying sites, such as Lindale, Arp, Bullard, & Winona, they might not carry all of the traffic you'd want to hear, especially Tyler itself. But even with these four, you still need a scanner capable of tracking a digital trunked system. I'm out of range of Tyler as well, but maybe someone from that specific area can advise what is carried on the non-simulcast sites.
 

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Yeah, sorry to say the scanner won’t work as you imagine it. Your son may try to get a refund or sale the unit on eBay. I don’t want to waste a lot of my time soliciting information you don’t care about, but if you are set on hearing radio traffic, as others have said and sds 100 or 200 is the ticket. Sorry!
 

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If money is an issue, the pro 668 on that list is what I still use. It's about half the cost of what you'd spend on an sds 100/200 on eBay and still does the job. I still use mine in Houston for everything. There may be cheaper options on that list I haven't checked.

It's not nearly as nice ofcourse as the sds 100/200. But once you get it all setup, it's fine. Keep in mind the 668 is an old dated RadioShack model so, warranty/repair etc is a whole different topic. It's now the whistler1080 and IDK if they still offer any repairs/warrantys on the RadioShack version. They do offer a firmware upgrade. Yeah. It gets confusing.
 

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If money is an issue, the pro 668 on that list is what I still use. It's about half the cost of what you'd spend on an sds 100/200 on eBay and still does the job. I still use mine in Houston for everything. There may be cheaper options on that list I haven't checked.

It's not nearly as nice ofcourse as the sds 100/200. But once you get it all setup, it's fine. Keep in mind the 668 is an old dated RadioShack model so, warranty/repair etc is a whole different topic. It's now the whistler1080 and IDK if they still offer any repairs/warrantys on the RadioShack version. They do offer a firmware upgrade. Yeah. It gets confusing.
Your comments, unfortunately, are somewhat misleading. The Pro-668, along with other GRE design scanners, whether manufactured, originally, by GRE, or (as is the case for your 668, manufactured by Whistler, using the GRE designs), does not handle simulcast well. The GRE version of that scanner was the Pro-18, and the GRE labeled PSR-800, were able to get the upgrade from Whistler that added P25 Phase II capability, as well as DMR. The Pro-668 had Phase II capability, but the upgrade, in effect, made it into a WS-1080, and added DMR reception capability. The Whistler branded models, WS-1080 & WS1088, had Phase II & DMR without an extra paid upgrade. Per your comments, you did have the upgrade done, but that does not change whether or not the unit can deal with simulcast.

This is not to imply that your statement that the 668 works for you is incorrect. If the site in TxWARN, that you monitor in the Houston metro area, is not simulcast, then the 668 would work. However, Simulcast distortion issues are extremely location specific. If you are located very close (say a quarter mile or so) from a specific sub site (transmit tower) of a simulcast site, that strong signal may well override the out of sync signal from towers that are farther away. Or, something such as hills, or clusters or tall buildings, could possibly block the conflicting signals from multiple sub sites, leaving the scanner only able to receive a single site. In that case, the 668 or similar models can work. At other times, something in your house, such as foil backed insulation in the walls, or something metallic next to your scanner, or on the other side of a wall, might also limit reception to a single tower, allowing the scanner to work. In some cases, you can move the scanner around in your residence, and may find a sweet spot where the scanner will work. Sometimes, that can be a move of only a foot or so makes the difference between clear reception from a simulcast site, or no reception at all (or garbled reception). On the Simulcast Wiki page are several different methods you can try to overcome simulcast problems. Sometimes, one of these suggestions works, at other times, none do.

HB-Texas, as already noted above, most of your area's agencies use TxWARN. Depending on your location, relative to a specific transmit site, one of the suggestions might work, or maybe not. As already noted, the Tyler site is simulcast, though there are several sites in Smith County that are not. However, one of those might not carry all that you want to hear, especially if Tyler is one of your interests. Your best choice, if simulcast becomes a factor, is one of Uniden's SDS series scanners. Those are made to deal with simulcast. the next model "under" those, the x36HP series scanners (436HP & 536HP), are less effective on simulcast, but it can work in some cases. Besides my SDS100 & SDS200 scanners, I also monitor NTIRN, a regional system here in the DFW area, which has simulcast sites. I am able to receive the system reasonably well by using a specific antenna, and laying the scanner flat on my desktop. That helps reduce the distortion & allows the scanner to monitor the sites I'm interested in. While it is not 100% effective (the SDS scanners are), it does well enough to be useful. The P2 scanners (325P2 & 996P2) are less effective on simulcast than the x36HP units. The Whistler/GRE scanners are less effective, in my area, than any of the Uniden scanners mentioned above. That applies to the newest Whistler models. I have the TRX-1, handheld; the desktop/mobile version is the TRX-2.

Should you decide to try a model other than Uniden's SDS100 or SDS200, be sure to order from a dealer that does not hit you with a large re-stock fee should you wish to return a scanner that cannot handle simulcast problems. Another option, which would be the lowest cost, would be to use one of the SDR dongles & downloaded software (some versions are free), and use your PC or laptop to monitor the system. These handle simulcast problems, but obviously are not a portable solution. Your listening is dependent on having a PC (or laptop) available for use.
 

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I sure appreciate all your replies. Good information on this forum . Sure glad I found it.
Looking at the scanners for trunked systems and the prices. ! Looks like the SDRTRUNK Software and a 50$ antenna/usb dongle with an old laptop might be the cheapest way to go ?
 

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I sure appreciate all your replies. Good information on this forum . Sure glad I found it.
Looking at the scanners for trunked systems and the prices. ! Looks like the SDRTRUNK Software and a 50$ antenna/usb dongle with an old laptop might be the cheapest way to go ?
I have not gotten into this (the SDR usage). However, there is a forum for questions on this. What you are looking to try sounds doable, but again, I'm not the expert on that. There are a number of members on RR who are, and who can help you.
 

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Your comments, unfortunately, are somewhat misleading. The Pro-668, along with other GRE design scanners, whether manufactured, originally, by GRE, or (as is the case for your 668, manufactured by Whistler, using the GRE designs), does not handle simulcast well. The GRE version of that scanner was the Pro-18, and the GRE labeled PSR-800, were able to get the upgrade from Whistler that added P25 Phase II capability, as well as DMR. The Pro-668 had Phase II capability, but the upgrade, in effect, made it into a WS-1080, and added DMR reception capability. The Whistler branded models, WS-1080 & WS1088, had Phase II & DMR without an extra paid upgrade. Per your comments, you did have the upgrade done, but that does not change whether or not the unit can deal with simulcast.

This is not to imply that your statement that the 668 works for you is incorrect. If the site in TxWARN, that you monitor in the Houston metro area, is not simulcast, then the 668 would work. However, Simulcast distortion issues are extremely location specific. If you are located very close (say a quarter mile or so) from a specific sub site (transmit tower) of a simulcast site, that strong signal may well override the out of sync signal from towers that are farther away. Or, something such as hills, or clusters or tall buildings, could possibly block the conflicting signals from multiple sub sites, leaving the scanner only able to receive a single site. In that case, the 668 or similar models can work. At other times, something in your house, such as foil backed insulation in the walls, or something metallic next to your scanner, or on the other side of a wall, might also limit reception to a single tower, allowing the scanner to work. In some cases, you can move the scanner around in your residence, and may find a sweet spot where the scanner will work. Sometimes, that can be a move of only a foot or so makes the difference between clear reception from a simulcast site, or no reception at all (or garbled reception). On the Simulcast Wiki page are several different methods you can try to overcome simulcast problems. Sometimes, one of these suggestions works, at other times, none do.

HB-Texas, as already noted above, most of your area's agencies use TxWARN. Depending on your location, relative to a specific transmit site, one of the suggestions might work, or maybe not. As already noted, the Tyler site is simulcast, though there are several sites in Smith County that are not. However, one of those might not carry all that you want to hear, especially if Tyler is one of your interests. Your best choice, if simulcast becomes a factor, is one of Uniden's SDS series scanners. Those are made to deal with simulcast. the next model "under" those, the x36HP series scanners (436HP & 536HP), are less effective on simulcast, but it can work in some cases. Besides my SDS100 & SDS200 scanners, I also monitor NTIRN, a regional system here in the DFW area, which has simulcast sites. I am able to receive the system reasonably well by using a specific antenna, and laying the scanner flat on my desktop. That helps reduce the distortion & allows the scanner to monitor the sites I'm interested in. While it is not 100% effective (the SDS scanners are), it does well enough to be useful. The P2 scanners (325P2 & 996P2) are less effective on simulcast than the x36HP units. The Whistler/GRE scanners are less effective, in my area, than any of the Uniden scanners mentioned above. That applies to the newest Whistler models. I have the TRX-1, handheld; the desktop/mobile version is the TRX-2.

Should you decide to try a model other than Uniden's SDS100 or SDS200, be sure to order from a dealer that does not hit you with a large re-stock fee should you wish to return a scanner that cannot handle simulcast problems. Another option, which would be the lowest cost, would be to use one of the SDR dongles & downloaded software (some versions are free), and use your PC or laptop to monitor the system. These handle simulcast problems, but obviously are not a portable solution. Your listening is dependent on having a PC (or laptop) available for use.

Unfortunately I havent experienced any other digital scanners but the 668, so my experience may be a case of ignorance is bliss. Mine doesn't even have the whistler upgrade. I do listen to a simulcast system but surprisingly haven't seemed to have any problems. The only issue I do have is weak signals from these sites, but apparently I'm in a dead zone and a new tower is in the works over it. Once im closer to the site, transmissions seem fine. But again, what's normal to me, might be not normal and am sds-200 may open a whole new world I'm oblivious to😆
 

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Unfortunately I havent experienced any other digital scanners but the 668, so my experience may be a case of ignorance is bliss. Mine doesn't even have the whistler upgrade. I do listen to a simulcast system but surprisingly haven't seemed to have any problems. The only issue I do have is weak signals from these sites, but apparently I'm in a dead zone and a new tower is in the works over it. Once im closer to the site, transmissions seem fine. But again, what's normal to me, might be not normal and am sds-200 may open a whole new world I'm oblivious to😆
As I noted previously, simulcast reception is extremely location sensitive. You may be either in a dead spot (for signals from additional towers), or you might be close to a site, or one of a couple of other possibilities. That’s sometimes referred to, here in the forums, as “winning the simulcast lottery”. So, it’s not ignorance on your part, but bliss that a less expensive model works for you at your specific location.

That’s good fortune for you since you do not need to move up to a more simulcast resistant scanner. My point was intended to note that while that model works for you, there’s no guarantee that it would work for someone in a different area. That’s why, when discussing which scanner is needed, I advise that, for someone likely to be impacted by simulcast problems, if a scanner other than one of the SDS series is purchased, make sure that is returnable without a large restock penalty if it does not work for them.
 

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As I noted previously, simulcast reception is extremely location sensitive. You may be either in a dead spot (for signals from additional towers), or you might be close to a site, or one of a couple of other possibilities. That’s sometimes referred to, here in the forums, as “winning the simulcast lottery”. So, it’s not ignorance on your part, but bliss that a less expensive model works for you at your specific location.

That’s good fortune for you since you do not need to move up to a more simulcast resistant scanner. My point was intended to note that while that model works for you, there’s no guarantee that it would work for someone in a different area. That’s why, when discussing which scanner is needed, I advise that, for someone likely to be impacted by simulcast problems, if a scanner other than one of the SDS series is purchased, make sure that is returnable without a large restock penalty if it does not work for them.

I completely understand. I'm curious if I will have issues once the new much much closer tower is completed. I requested the mods delete my original post. I don't want anyone getting stuck with something not guaranteed.
 

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I completely understand. I'm curious if I will have issues once the new much much closer tower is completed. I requested the mods delete my original post. I don't want anyone getting stuck with something not guaranteed.
If a sub-site (on the specific simulcast TxWARN site that covers your area) is moved closer to you (or an additional sub-site is added, and it is closer), then the stronger signal would be to your benefit. A close tower is one thing that is suggested in trying to identify simulcast problems.

What you’ll see in the forums, where someone is saying that their scanner “doesn’t work”, someone will ask to verify which system and site they are trying to hear. If their target site indicates as simulcast, when viewed in the database, we might suggest that, if possible, they drive to a location that is a quarter mile or so from the nearest transmit location. If their scanner ‘does not work’ at home (or wherever they are referencing), but does work when close to the tower, that pretty much confirms that their problems are simulcast related. Being very close to a transmitter, that very strong signal will drown out (override) the out of sync signals from the other sub-sites, allowing their receiver to work.
 

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Invest in an rtl sdr and an old pc instead of a 300+ scanner you can do it 40-100 buck pleanty of east to follow youtube tutorials online use sdrtrunk I will walk you throughthe prossess if needed
 
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