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I think you're exactly right. He's almost certainly decoding High Point from Unionville, not Freehold, and is being fooled by the common frequency. 770.70625 is the primary control channel at High Point, doesn't roll very often.
You need to program and scan the NJICS P25 system.
FYI most of the 2-COMM units are only associated with the Walpack site most hours of the day. I live down the hill from the HP location but strain to keep the scanner locked on Walpack to hear ALL 2-COMM transmissions. I presume since the barracks are in Augusta they associate with Walpack and hence all the comms go through that site. There are times when the troops are on this side of the county that HP will carry comms but its definitely hit and miss.
Walpack would be the site of choice for catching traffic on the Sussex TG, however High Point still carries the majority of traffic as shown below (PTT hits logged in Unitrunker).
It's a shame that the state has decided not to combine High Point and Walpack along with Hamburg to form a countywide simulcast cell, as that would've made scanning in the area much more convenient only having to program a single site to monitor all traffic. Instead the county will now have three standalone sites once Hamburg eventually comes online.
It's a shame that the state has decided not to combine High Point and Walpack along with Hamburg to form a countywide simulcast cell, as that would've made scanning in the area much more convenient only having to program a single site to monitor all traffic. Instead the county will now have three standalone sites once Hamburg eventually comes online.
Same goes for Monmouth Co. Have to wonder why they are standalone and not in a cell. But without putting my RF Engineering hat on and checking to see if perhaps that might cause some co or adjacent interference with someone else, its hard to tell what the rationale is.Walpack would be the site of choice for catching traffic on the Sussex TG, however High Point still carries the majority of traffic as shown below (PTT hits logged in Unitrunker).
It's a shame that the state has decided not to combine High Point and Walpack along with Hamburg to form a countywide simulcast cell, as that would've made scanning in the area much more convenient only having to program a single site to monitor all traffic. Instead the county will now have three standalone sites once Hamburg eventually comes online.
Also...Hamburg is still in the same state as it was before...no movement on that yet.
For those more informed than me. Before the cutover to the 700 system from 800 when they were patching 700 in. I could swear they were using P25 Phase 1, It's now obviously P25 Phase 2 (2-COMM on Walpack & HP) . I remember the scanner displaying P25 vs IT0 or IT1. I also had to change the P25 threshold on my scanner down two notches to get the best decoding.
Is the Phase 1/2 an association setting the radio gets when it associates to a system and can they really just change the configuration and the radios follow without any "reprogramming" it would make sense and is a great feature to have.
Is the Phase 1/2 an association setting the radio gets when it associates to a system and can they really just change the configuration and the radios follow without any "reprogramming" it would make sense and is a great feature to have.
The NJICS P25 system and NJSP SmartZone system were interconnected with what are known as SmartX Site Converters. Basically a physical box that Motorola made to allow seamless transitions between the older and newer systems, and it "mapped" talkgroups between the two systems at the hardware level, creating permanent links.
Any talkgroup from the SmartZone system, including those using P25 voice on the old system (DRJTBC), would force the counterpart talkgroup on NJICS to FDMA (Phase I) mode. Didn't matter if all of the Sussex patrols had APX radios, until the link was finally broken, the 2-Comm talkgroup was going to take up a full frequency on the P25 system.
If the system and radios are capable of Phase II, they will operate in that mode as long as there's no old radio forcing the talkgroup back to Phase I mode. That's what happened here...the NJSP talkgroups were always capable of TDMA on the NJICS system. As soon as the NJSP talkgroups were killed off the SmartZone system, all of the talkgroups on the P25 system started operating in TDMA mode, as all of the APX radios were already capable of Phase II.
tl;dr Yes they used to be Phase I and now they are Phase II because they're operating on a "pure" P25 system with all radios capable of TDMA
Thank you so much for the wealth of knowledge and the sanity check. I didn't realize it was a HW patch. Neat stuff, need to do more reading.
Got the same problem, SDS100 gets 4-com fine but not 2-com, but before the changeover to NJICS I was getting them fine?
Ringwood, Passaic County. Do you think too far from Walpack or High point? Diamond Antana on the roof.
Ringwood, Passaic County. Do you think too far from Walpack or High point? Diamond Antana on the roof.
Definitely not going to be heard in town like GTR said. Passaic county simulcast has more than enough to listen to on NJSP, in my findings. I haven’t been able to get anything from Sussex county and I’m also in town.
Ok Thanks, so as far as sites, just program in Passaic County Simulcast and forget about all the rest? Before the change I was hearing Sussex cars on RT 15,94,and 206 but no more.
I mean you could try to program in the Sussex county sites, but even then, it’s all affiliation based.
Sussex county cars are not close enough to Ringwood/Passaic county, so it’s not going to affiliate with Ramapo.
On the old SmartZone system, everything was linked, the talkgroups followed the entire system. A few years ago I had the parkway frequencies plugged in on The B system, and I listened all the way from NYS all the way down to Monmouth, without touching a button.
All done. Minus a few select TG’s, it’s only on what affiliates, and is allowed at each site.
But Passaic county carries Oakland, Troop B, PCSO, William Paterson, Montclair, Little Falls, and a bunch more. I personally would set sail on the Sussex stuff, if it was me.
I should also add, all the NJSP patrol TG’s are Phase 2. All the above mentioned agencies, are also Phase 2. The old SmartZone converters made the TG’s come over in Phase 1. Not anymore. So Phase 2 scanner is gonna be your best bet.
Keep in mind that the old SmartZone system was essentially three huge simulcast cells that covered North, Central, and South. That's why you could hear every active Troop B talkgroup anywhere in the northern part of the state, because they were all using the same cell. The NJICS system is a different animal, and while it obviously does have some simulcast cells of its own, they pale in comparison to the size of the three SmartZone cells.
Bottom line, as I've reiterated many, many times, is that talkgroups are only going to come up on the NJICS where they're needed. There is no reason for 2-Comm Sussex to come up on any site except those in and bordering Sussex County. Bowling Green in NW Morris County, for example, and that site only carries maybe 2/3 of the total traffic for that talkgroup.
Bottom line, as I've reiterated many, many times, is that talkgroups are only going to come up on the NJICS where they're needed. There is no reason for 2-Comm Sussex to come up on any site except those in and bordering Sussex County. Bowling Green in NW Morris County, for example, and that site only carries maybe 2/3 of the total traffic for that talkgroup.
Ok thanks for the lesson, since you are both knowledgeable on this new stuff, I have another Question.....on the Bergen County PD side, I have County wide law enforcement loaded, I was looking for Wyckoff / Midland Park PD TG 1206 and Frankland Lakes TG 1210 and found them both.... I'm picking up a lot of other TG's. Besides listening and trying to hear them say who they are or a street name to Google. How do you know who is who as far as all the PD Dispatch TG's? There is like 15 TG's that are PD Dispatch. Thanks Again
Just like everyone else here, lots of time listening, and monitoring. You have a few options. First, and what I do, is make sure you have programmed in what you want, and use ID SCAN. Only programmed talkgroups will come in. You could have the entire BC system scanning, but if you only want to hear specific talkgroups, make a quick key, and use ID SCAN. Or, the other, program what you want, or leave it in ID SEARCH. ID SEARCH will show every talkgroup the scanner stops on, including the ones you have programmed, and don't. So say you have every talkgroup programmed except for Franklin Lakes, the scanner will show ID: 1210.
In the DB itself, it shows what agency is next to who. I can confirm Franklin Lakes, and Wyckoff are correct. I'm sure the others are too. If you need any more help, let me know. I assume this for the BCD996p2. I am VERY familiar with this scanner.
Did you look at the database page for that system? It shows who uses which TG. Way off topic for this thread, anyway.
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