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Hello all,

I recently bought an anytone 578UVIII plus. Currently it is connected to a GP-3 antenna that is shared with my 9700 via a coax switch. Since I would like to use both radio simultaneously I woud like to buy an antenna for the 578. The 578 is used as a base station only and i won’t use it on VHF. Can you recommend a good vertical base antenna what would only cover the 70cm band.

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Hello all,

I recently bought an anytone 578UVIII plus. Currently it is connected to a GP-3 antenna that is shared with my 9700 via a coax switch. Since I would like to use both radio simultaneously I woud like to buy an antenna for the 578. The 578 is used as a base station only and i won’t use it on VHF. Can you recommend a good vertical base antenna what would only cover the 70cm band.

Many thanks
73 de Va2fcs
Looks like your 70 cm band is 430 MHz to 450 MHz. Here is a Laird TE Connectivity Model #FG4305 that has 5dB gain, omnidirectional, and covers 430 MHz to 440 MHz.


Is there a particular reason that you do not want VHF capability. Is it the antenna height that you are concerned about with a VHF/UHF base station antenna?
 

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Looks like your 70 cm band is 430 MHz to 450 MHz. Here is a Laird TE Connectivity Model #FG4305 that has 5dB gain, omnidirectional, and covers 430 MHz to 440 MHz.


Is there a particular reason that you do not want VHF capability. Is it the antenna height that you are concerned about with a VHF/UHF base station antenna?

Thanks for the suggestion. I could get another GP-3 but there are no VHF DMR repeaters within reach and VHF analog is already taken care of with my 9700. I think i would be better served with a dedicated 430-450 antenna with some gain.
 

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The GP-3 is an excellent dual-band antenna that handles both 2M and 70cm bands. Why not get a Comet duplexer (or any other good duplexer) and split the output from the GP-3: VHF into the ICOM 9700 and the UHF side into the Anytone. You can transmit /receive simultaneously on either / both radios because there is 60dB of isolation in the duplexer. No switches or other fuss needed. Just connect them to the duplexer and the duplexer to the GP-3 (paying attention to the labels on the ports of course). Our club did this all the time during VHF Contests to get maximum use out of a dual-band antenna. Another plus is that you won't be wondering, "Gee... how far do I have to separate the two antennas?" With a duplexer it's all on the same antenna, and only one coax lead down to the shack as well.
 

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The GP-3 is an excellent dual-band antenna that handles both 2M and 70cm bands. Why not get a Comet duplexer (or any other good duplexer) and split the output from the GP-3: VHF into the ICOM 9700 and the UHF side into the Anytone. You can transmit /receive simultaneously on either / both radios because there is 60dB of isolation in the duplexer. No switches or other fuss needed. Just connect them to the duplexer and the duplexer to the GP-3 (paying attention to the labels on the ports of course). Our club did this all the time during VHF Contests to get maximum use out of a dual-band antenna. Another plus is that you won't be wondering, "Gee... how far do I have to separate the two antennas?" With a duplexer it's all on the same antenna, and only one coax lead down to the shack as well.

This is a good idea and i already have the duplexer however i need both VHF/UHF on the 9700.
 

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Curious why you don't just use a dual band antenna. So you're not using it for 2M. What's the big deal with it having to be mono?
 

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Curious why you don't just use a dual band antenna. So you're not using it for 2M. What's the big deal with it having to be mono?
I think the OP is wanting the most gain in a compact antenna. If the gain is needed mostly in one direction then a UHF 3 element yagi might make sense.

I would go with the dual band myself for the excellent scanning they offer besides just ham UHF.
 

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I think the OP is wanting the most gain in a compact antenna. If the gain is needed mostly in one direction then a UHF 3 element yagi might make sense.

I would go with the dual band myself for the excellent scanning they offer besides just ham UHF.
I was not looking for something compact but i thought a dedicated antenna for that band would give me better performance. At the moment i did what @popnokick suggested. It works fine but i lose functionality on both radios. I also looked at the antenna suggested by @K4EET, it seems a bit expensive for what it is. I thing that finally i will get another GP-3.
 

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I was not looking for something compact but i thought a dedicated antenna for that band would give me better performance. At the moment i did what @popnokick suggested. It works fine but i lose functionality on both radios. I also looked at the antenna suggested by @K4EET, it seems a bit expensive for what it is. I thing that finally i will get another GP-3.
While the Comet GP-3 dual band base antenna's specs show 4.5 dBi gain on 146 MHz and 7.2 dBi gain on 445 MHz, the quality of construction may not be as good as the single band Laird TE Connectivity Model #FG4305 antenna. That could account for the cost difference. Most of the time, you do get what you pay for... ;)
 

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While the Comet GP-3 dual band base antenna's specs show 4.5 dBi gain on 146 MHz and 7.2 dBi gain on 445 MHz, the quality of construction may not be as good as the single band Laird TE Connectivity Model #FG4305 antenna. That could account for the cost difference. Most of the time, you do get what you pay for... ;)

I agree that the Laird is probably a lot better in terms of construction. My GP-3 has been installed a few months after the COVID crisis began. So far it as worked well for me but in my area the weather conditions are not that severe especially as far as wind is concerned. I have no clue on how much longer the Laird would last compared to the GP-3.
 

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I've never trusted Comet gain specs and when compared to other antennas with known gain they seem to fall short. The last time I did a comparison was between a Comet GP-9 and DB Products DB-411-B which is a 4-element UHF dipole array, all dipoles in line for 9dBd gain in cardioid pattern. I was running a GP-9 on a 70cm amateur repeater at my house and wanted to see how the commercial dipole array compared so I disconnected the repeater and took precise receive levels off several distant repeaters on the GP-9 within the estimated pattern of where I would point the DB-411 using a spectrum analyzer with peak search and readout accurate to .1dB. I quickly took down the GP-9 and installed the DB-411 on the same mast, same height with same feedline and receive levels were around 3 to 4dB better on the DB-408.

Looking up gain specs on the GP-9 it claims 11.9dBi gain which translates to 9.76dBd gain. This means the Comet should have been slightly better than the DB-411 but it was actually around 3 to 4dB worse or around 5 to 6dBd gain range. The GP-9 was operating within its rated frequency range where the DB-411 was a 450-470MHz antenna and being operated slightly out of band but this is fairly normal for surplus commercial antennas used in amateur service. I left the DB-411 in place and its been the primary 70cm repeater antenna here for a good 4-5yrs now and repeater range has been slightly better compared to the GP-9.

Other tests in years past have shown commercial antennas with known gain have outperformed Comet and other amateur grade antennas with similar advertised gain.
 

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I'm very pleased with my Diamond X30A for VHF and UHF ham and it also does great as a scanner antenna for 550 >560 Mhz and surprising how well it does on 852 > 860 Mhz

It's an excellent value.
 

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I've never trusted Comet gain specs and when compared to other antennas with known gain they seem to fall short. The last time I did a comparison was between a Comet GP-9 and DB Products DB-411-B which is a 4-element UHF dipole array, all dipoles in line for 9dBd gain in cardioid pattern. I was running a GP-9 on a 70cm amateur repeater at my house and wanted to see how the commercial dipole array compared so I disconnected the repeater and took precise receive levels off several distant repeaters on the GP-9 within the estimated pattern of where I would point the DB-411 using a spectrum analyzer with peak search and readout accurate to .1dB. I quickly took down the GP-9 and installed the DB-411 on the same mast, same height with same feedline and receive levels were around 3 to 4dB better on the DB-408.

Looking up gain specs on the GP-9 it claims 11.9dBi gain which translates to 9.76dBd gain. This means the Comet should have been slightly better than the DB-411 but it was actually around 3 to 4dB worse or around 5 to 6dBd gain range. The GP-9 was operating within its rated frequency range where the DB-411 was a 450-470MHz antenna and being operated slightly out of band but this is fairly normal for surplus commercial antennas used in amateur service. I left the DB-411 in place and its been the primary 70cm repeater antenna here for a good 4-5yrs now and repeater range has been slightly better compared to the GP-9.

Other tests in years past have shown commercial antennas with known gain have outperformed Comet and other amateur grade antennas with similar advertised gain.
the GP-9 seems for some reason to suffer on UHF, regardless of the printed specs. We did a similar comparison with a Hustler G-6 and the G-6 made the GP-9 look pretty poor on UHF. I know of at least two people that had new defective ones out of the package on UHF. A third has been replaced and still is intermittent on UHF while VHF seems pretty stable on it.

The testing was done with a calibrated IFR 1200 Super S and while not the most sensitive spectrum analyzer, it, and another smaller non calibrated SA showed the same results. Also, the G6 hustler vastly out performed the GP-9 at the repeater site for receive also. On air live testing to multiple radios in our area, yielded the same results. Given the length of the antennas, that honestly shouldn't have been the case. Obviously the G6 stayed up until the repeater was taken off the air, and is likely still floating around "somewhere".

I agree with the others though,. a dual band antenna is likely your best move. Redundancy on bands if often a good thing. Truthfully I don't know the Anytone models off the top (578's) but several of us also use them on 1.25 meters and even at only 5 watts, we have a blast with it in our area. For those that use those there the Comet CX-333 is the preferred "single antenna", although some guys triplex it out to 3 separate antennas.
 

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I'm very pleased with my Diamond X30A for VHF and UHF ham and it also does great as a scanner antenna for 550 >560 Mhz and surprising how well it does on 852 > 860 Mhz

It's an excellent value.
Type error - should have been 450 > 460 Mhz
 

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1.25 meter is pretty much non existent here. I often monitor a few repeaters and apart from repeaters ID there is nothing. Looks like I’ll be buying another GP-3
 
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