DSDPlus UK Cap+, FMP24 & DSD+FL HELP!

[iscottybotty]

Hi all. I’m looking for help with setting up a two frequency Cap+ system in FMP24 & DSDFL. I’m UK.

I have searched and searched but can’t follow and are just getting myself in a muddle.

Would someone be so kind as to tell me how to input the details in the particular format, where and which file/s?
I know from DSD the site is Site 3, I know the LCN’s or Channel Numbers, 1&3 but have no clue about a network ID etc etc.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Ps. Please don’t advise to read the contained documents, I have but I just can’t follow them. I’d be grateful if someone would explain in dummies language what I need to do.
Thank you.

 

[mtindor]

Hi all. I’m looking for help with setting up a two frequency Cap+ system in FMP24 & DSDFL. I’m UK.

I have searched and searched but can’t follow and are just getting myself in a muddle.

Would someone be so kind as to tell me how to input the details in the particular format, where and which file/s?
I know from DSD the site is Site 3, I know the LCN’s or Channel Numbers, 1&3 but have no clue about a network ID etc etc.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Ps. Please don’t advise to read the contained documents, I have but I just can’t follow them. I’d be grateful if someone would explain in dummies language what I need to do.
Thank you.

Explaining in dummies language for you is not fair to anyone on here, considering there have been hundreds of posts over the years of people helping people to do this.

1. Is the site in the RR DB? If not, you need to submit it. If it is, please provide a link to the site.

2. Provide all known frequencies and LCNs

If it's in the DB and you can provide the valid frequencies and LCNs for it, I'll give it a whirl and tell you how to set it up.

 

[sonm10]

@mtindor that was poor advice

Anyhoo, the problem with DSD+ is the notes are not all in one place. I get the confusion. You will need to edit the select following files (The names all start with DSDPlus, but the extension is different) .frequencies, .networks, .sites, .siteloader, .groups. Each one of those files has a very specific syntax which it gives clear examples of in each file. The networks is a little odd since Cap+ does not assign network id. You have to assign your own. I personally start with 1, 2, 3, etc.

 

[mtindor]

@mtindor that was poor advice

Anyhoo, the problem with DSD+ is the notes are not all in one place. I get the confusion. You will need to edit the select following files (The names all start with DSDPlus, but the extension is different) .frequencies, .networks, .sites, .siteloader, .groups. Each one of those files has a very specific syntax which it gives clear examples of in each file. The networks is a little odd since Cap+ does not assign network id. You have to assign your own. I personally start with 1, 2, 3, etc.

Good for you that you stepped in @sonm10 . But once in a while people really need to try and figure things out for themselves, and if they can't then use the "Search" function of the website. Having a few hundred threads on how to set up something in DSDPlus makes no sense when one can usually bring up good results pretty easily with the Search button.

Was I terse? yeah. But I don't know how to politely suggest to somebody that they use the Search function.

And I don't see anything wrong with asking the person to submit the system to the DB if it isn't already in there.

At any rate, thank you @sonm10 for taking the initiative to help the OP out.

 

[mtindor]

Good for you that you stepped in @sonm10 . But once in a while people really need to try and figure things out for themselves, and if they can't then use the "Search" function of the website. Having a few hundred threads on how to set up something in DSDPlus makes no sense when one can usually bring up good results pretty easily with the Search button.

Was I terse? yeah. But I don't know how to politely suggest to somebody that they use the Search function.

And I don't see anything wrong with asking the person to submit the system to the DB if it isn't already in there.

At any rate, thank you @sonm10 for taking the initiative to help the OP out.

Actuallly my search foo that I used on the forums didn't bring me up any good results (answers) on the first page of results. So I guess it "aint" as easy as I would think to search the forums for such info. I'll check the wiki, and if there is in there about how to set it up I might add something. Of course, then the same thing would apply -- unless somebody had a link to the specific wiki article, a search of the wiki probably would bring up 10 pages of wrong search results before the right one popped up, depending upon the search criteria used.

I do however think that the TXT files included with FL are pretty self explanatory.

 

[iscottybotty]

I’m obliged, @

@mtindor that was poor advice

Anyhoo, the problem with DSD+ is the notes are not all in one place. I get the confusion. You will need to edit the select following files (The names all start with DSDPlus, but the extension is different) .frequencies, .networks, .sites, .siteloader, .groups. Each one of those files has a very specific syntax which it gives clear examples of in each file. The networks is a little odd since Cap+ does not assign network id. You have to assign your own. I personally start with 1, 2, 3, etc.

Thank you for the information, I’m obliged. 👍

 

[iscottybotty]

Explaining in dummies language for you is not fair to anyone on here, considering there have been hundreds of posts over the years of people helping people to do this.

1. Is the site in the RR DB? If not, you need to submit it. If it is, please provide a link to the site.

2. Provide all known frequencies and LCNs

If it's in the DB and you can provide the valid frequencies and LCNs for it, I'll give it a whirl and tell you how to set it up.

Im not quite sure which bit of the of the sentence, “Ps. Please don’t advise to read the contained documents, I have but I just can’t follow them” you didn’t understand, which, ironically, is exactly the point of my post.
Sometimes things in perfect black and white aren’t always that easy to follow. 👍

 

[mtindor]

@sonm10 provided great example files. Here is something I've written out:

Let's use this system as an example:

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=10126

LCN 1 : LSN 1 : 451.275
LCN 1 : LSN 2 : 451.275
LCN 2 : LSN 3 : 452.075
LCN 2 : LSN 4 : 452.075
LCN 3 : LSN 5 : 451.200
LCN 3 : LSN 6 : 451.200

Because Cap+ systems do not have a Network ID, you have to:

• make up a fictitous Network ID like 99999
• or use the ?sid=##### (if it's in the RRDB) as the system ID

In the above example, it is in the RRDB and the ?sid= 10126 . So we will use 10126

# DSDPlus.networks
# protocol, networkID, "network name"[, TIIIareaLength]


# example 1: site in RRDB ; ?sid=10126 ; network name is "First Energy - Sammis Plant"

Cap+, 10126, "First Energy - Sammis Plant"


# example 2: site not in RRDB ; using fictitious network ID of 99999 ; network name is "Red Devil Communications"

Cap+, 99999, "Red Devil Communications"


# DSDPlus.sites
# protocol, networkID, siteNumber, "site name"


# example 1: system in RRDB ; ?side=10126 ; site number 1 ; name of site = "Hilltop"

Cap+, 10126, 1, "Hilltop"


# example 2: system not in RRDB, using fictious Network ID of 99999 ; site number 2 ; name of site = "Lost Souls"

Cap+, 99999, 2, "Lost Souls"


# DSDPlus.frequencies
# protocol, networkID, siteNumber, OTAchannelNumber, TXfrequency, RXfrequency, sortOrder

NOTE: I find the sort order irrelevant. I leave them all 0s, but you can specify a sort order
NOTE: You only need the TXfrequency, not the RXfrequency
NOTE: You can get away with only adding lines for the ODD LSNs (OTAchanneNumber)


# example 1: system in RRDB ; ?sid=10126 ; don't care about sort order ; listing all LSNs ; site 1

Cap+, 10126, 1, 1, 451.275, 456.275, 0
Cap+, 10126, 1, 2, 451.275, 456.275, 0
Cap+, 10126, 1, 3, 452.075, 457.075, 0
Cap+, 10126, 1, 4, 452.075, 452.075, 0
Cap+, 10126, 1, 5, 451.200, 456.200, 0
Cap+, 10126, 1, 6, 451.200, 456.200, 0


# example 2: system is in RRDB ; ?sid=10126 ; only need odd LSNs (OTAchannelNumber) ; feel like changing sort order; site 1

Cap+, 10126, 1, 1, 451.275, 456.275, 1
Cap+, 10126, 1, 3, 452.075, 457.075, 2
Cap+, 10126, 1, 5, 451.200, 456.200, 3


# example 3: system is in RRDB ; ?sid=10126 ; only need odd LSNs ; want different sort order ; no RXfrequency ; site 1

Cap+, 10126, 1, 1, 451.275, 0, 2
Cap+, 10126, 1, 3, 452.075, 0, 1
Cap+, 10126, 1, 5, 451.200, 0, 3


# example 4: fictitious Network ID of 99999 ; only need odd LSNs ; want different sort order ; no RXfrequency ; site 2

Cap+, 99999, 2, 1, 154.800, 0, 11
Cap+, 99999, 2, 3, 155.220, 0, 12
Cap+, 99999, 2, 5, 162.550, 0, 20


As you can see -- all sorts of options.

 

[slicerwizard]

Im not quite sure which bit of the of the sentence, “Ps. Please don’t advise to read the contained documents, I have but I just can’t follow them” you didn’t understand, which, ironically, is exactly the point of my post.
Sometimes things in perfect black and white aren’t always that easy to follow. 👍

Just watching from the sidelines here...

I'm looking at the instructions that start with the text "Cap+ monitoring" in the Notes.txt file. I see that it has nine steps labelled a) through i) and it seems to cover your request for "how to input the details in the particular format, where and which file/s"; if one wrote that they were stuck at a particular step, I could see an easy path to moving the conversation forward, but "I just can’t follow them" - well, it just doesn't have the same panache, does it?

 

[iscottybotty]

LOL @ the forum Police, Oh my!
I asked a question on a forum, out of all the replies I received only one of use. Having now matched the zip file from the helpful user to my own files, the program is working flawlessly!
I really CBA with Political BS from members.
You’ll see from my last thread I don’t use this site often and it’s exactly for the above reason. Only my 30 day comms ban on FB sees me back here.
As for the RR database, 🤦‍♂️ It doesn’t list the trunks as described in the UK, WTRBrowser is the way forward for frequency discovery, but that’s for another thread.
Admin Police: You can close this now, @sonm10 was amazing. 👍

 

[mtindor]

LOL @ the forum Police, Oh my!
I asked a question on a forum, out of all the replies I received only one of use. Having now matched the zip file from the helpful user to my own files, the program is working flawlessly!
I really CBA with Political BS from members.
You’ll see from my last thread I don’t use this site often and it’s exactly for the above reason. Only my 30 day comms ban on FB sees me back here.
As for the RR database, 🤦‍♂️ It doesn’t list the trunks as described in the UK, WTRBrowser is the way forward for frequency discovery, but that’s for another thread.
Admin Police: You can close this now, @sonm10 was amazing. 👍

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