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I live about 3 miles from downtown Wichita Kansas and recieving signals on my scanner has been hit and miss since I bought it 3 years ago,I tried the telescoping antenna that came with it,no police calls at all,I get weather station strong,then tried a discone in the attic,nothing,then tried a yagi outside and it worked fairly well but didnt get all the calls and resently stopped working,took the discone antenna out of the attic outside and got a few calls,my question is,if im using all these types of antennas and barely pickup calls from police antennas only 3 or 4 miles away,how do the cops use their radios with a 10" long stinger antenna on the car and use a rubber ducky antenna on their handheld and they are all over the city 10 or 15 miles away from their base antennas?
There is a scanner setup on broadcastify downtown and I listen to that right now because I'm tired of messing with this scanner,and the broadcastify scanner gets 20 times the calls I was getting.
 
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how do the cops use their radios with a 10" long stinger antenna on the car and use a rubber ducky antenna on their handheld and they are all over the city 10 or 15 miles away from their base antennas?
Easy.

You're talking about the difference in performance between a hobby radio, designed to receive a WIDE range of frequencies - and a professional radio - designed specifically to operate on a smaller range of frequencies - and costing MANY times as much as a hobby radio,

Think of the difference between the performance of your Ford Taurus Vs a NASCAR car.

Enjoy!
 

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Easy.

You're talking about the difference in performance between a hobby radio, designed to receive a WIDE range of frequencies - and a professional radio - designed specifically to operate on a smaller range of frequencies - and costing MANY times as much as a hobby radio,

Think of the difference between the performance of your Ford Taurus Vs a NASCAR car.

Enjoy!
But you would think a $500 scanner would receive signals farther than a couple miles.
If I take this scanner in the car and drive about 2 miles towards downtown it lights up and get all kinds of action.
 

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Normally it does. I'm currently picking up traffic from 3 states--VA, WV, MD, plus occasionally DC. If moving the scanner improves reception, there's probably something in or near your house generating interference.
 

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Wichita is also simulcast, which means the only scanners that will consistently receive well are the SDS models. All other scanners will have location-dependent reception problems, even with strong signal.
 

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Wichita is also simulcast, which means the only scanners that will consistently receive well are the SDS models. All other scanners will have location-dependent reception problems, even with strong signal.
Im afraid to go out and spend $700 on a new scanner and then it doesn't work any better than what I have now.
 

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Im afraid to go out and spend $700 on a new scanner and then it doesn't work any better than what I have now.
Here's the map of the simulcast sites.
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When you get out and drive downtown, you are probably getting close enough to one of the sites, with a strong enough signal to nullify the effects of signals arriving from other sites at varying times.

One of the Unication pagers, or the Uniden SDS series scanners are your best bests for dealing with simulcast. The 996XT, and the 996P2 simply do not not have what's needed to deal with simulcast issues. At home, less antenna, so that you can hopefully ignore the more distanct sites, or a directional antenna pointed at a site that is not in the same direction as others, are your best hopes for dealing with simulcast on your 996XT.
 

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Here's the map of the simulcast sites.
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When you get out and drive downtown, you are probably getting close enough to one of the sites, with a strong enough signal to nullify the effects of signals arriving from other sites at varying times.

One of the Unication pagers, or the Uniden SDS series scanners are your best bests for dealing with simulcast. The 996XT, and the 996P2 simply do not not have what's needed to deal with simulcast issues. At home, less antenna, so that you can hopefully ignore the more distanct sites, or a directional antenna pointed at a site that is not in the same direction as others, are your best hopes for dealing with simulcast on your 996XT.
Looks like I have 4 or 5 sites within 8 miles of my home,I was watiching a guy on Youtube with a Uniden SRS 100 scanning in the St Paul Minnesota area 35 miles out and he was using a rubber duck antenna and it was working fine,there is no excuse why I cant get 2 or 3 miles with all the antennas I tried unless my scanner has a problem..but again..I pick up the Highway Patrol all over the state and city loud and clear
 

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Do you know why the yagi in the attic recently stopped working?
I had the discone in the attic,no good and then bought a yagi and mounted it outside and got some calls but nothing like I should get and then I took the discone out of the attic and mounted it outside and got very little.Theres a guy streaming his scanner from downtown on broadcastify and when I listen to his scanner its getting 10 times the number of calls I ever got.
 

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Do you know why the yagi in the attic recently stopped working?
The yagi was outside all the time and it worked ok but not like it should and then last week the police calls I was getting on Simulcast from WPD stopped but still got HP calls..I took the PL259 off and redone the connection and checked coax with a multimeter and looks good.
 

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The SDS scanners make a huge difference with simulcast. The feed provider is probably using one.
 

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Looks like I have 4 or 5 sites within 8 miles of my home,I was watiching a guy on Youtube with a Uniden SRS 100 scanning in the St Paul Minnesota area 35 miles out and he was using a rubber duck antenna and it was working fine,there is no excuse why I cant get 2 or 3 miles with all the antennas I tried unless my scanner has a problem..but again..I pick up the Highway Patrol all over the state and city loud and clear
You're comparing apples to oranges.
St. Paul and Minneapolis are on Minnesota's ARMER system. Besides the City Center simulcast, there are two others for Hennepin County and another simulcast for N. Minneapolis. If the person on YouTube is 35 miles outside of the city center, but with a location and antenna system where one of the simulcasts can be heard, he or she is far enough out that the distortion from multiple sites is not a factor. Here in my area, there are a number of trunked systems in use, where simulcast issues have been reported. However, at my specific location, I'm far enough away that, while I can still hear the system, simulcast does not affect me. At a distance, the sites farthest away from me are not in range, so I'm left with one or two that are in range, but close enough together that I don't see the timing differences in reception that cause distortion in a number of scanners.

You can hear the Highway Patrol as they are not on your county's system. Instead, they are on KSICS, which has has a single site (transmitter location) in the county. So, no simulcast issue at all,
I had the discone in the attic,no good and then bought a yagi and mounted it outside and got some calls but nothing like I should get and then I took the discone out of the attic and mounted it outside and got very little.Theres a guy streaming his scanner from downtown on broadcastify and when I listen to his scanner its getting 10 times the number of calls I ever got.
There's no notation on the feed info as to what the provider is using for reception. He may have one of the SDS series scanners, a "real" radio (like a Motorola), or is using one or more of the SDR dongles & software to provide the audio. It's also possible that he or she is close enough to that center of the city tower that it blanks out the out of phase signals from the other sites used for simulcast. That's likely what's happening to you when you start hearing more radio traffic when you drive towards downtown. The signal from the center site overides the reception from the more distant sites.

The yagi was outside all the time and it worked ok but not like it should and then last week the police calls I was getting on Simulcast from WPD stopped but still got HP calls..I took the PL259 off and redone the connection and checked coax with a multimeter and looks good.
As I noted above, the HP is on a different system, which is not using a simulcast site.

With a yagi (directional antenna), you don't necessarily aim at the closest site. If you are more or less west to southwest of the city center, if you aimed a yagi at the city center site, there are two other, more distant sites, behind it, so that may not be of help. Look at the map.
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I'm guessing that maybe you are in the vicinity of the blue circle. If you aim the yagi at the center site, you see the two others, at different distances, behind it. While you may increase the signal from the center, you also are increasing the strength of the sites behind it.

I suspect that a better move would be to aim towards the site circled in red. You don't have background sites to add to the signal mix if pointed that way. Of course, a yagi is not a viable option when mobile.
 

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OK...did a test,I put the scanner into HOLD and then went to the simulcast frequencies and tested one by one,(about 20 of them)it seems there is calls being made because Im getting full strength showing on the receive meter on every one of them for short periods of time but never the same length,like what a call would be but I hear nothing,its like yes im getting very good signal but the scanner is not decoding the call?
 

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That is classic symptoms of a simulcast problem. Strong signal detected, but no audio decoded. An SDS scanner will probably fix that.
 

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That is classic symptoms of a simulcast problem. Strong signal detected, but no audio decoded. An SDS scanner will probably fix that.
But the scanner was working up until about 2 weeks ago not as I hoped but I was getting some WPD and Sheriff calls and now nothing,If I was 100% positive that a new scanner would fix me up I would get one but $700 and then if it doesnt work you have to go through all the trouble of boxing it and shipping and then you still out money for shipping,"restocking".
 

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It never worked the way you wanted to, because it isn't designed for simulcast. Your antenna went bad recently to make things worse.
 

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That's only good for a single system, is far more expensive when you factor in the cost of the software required to program, and requires extremely specific programming to monitor without trying to affiliate with the system, which is a felony, and will get your radio bricked. Stay far far away.
 
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