Upcoming Encryption

[wogggieee]

Unfortunately it is going to eventually be the whole state for law enforcement. The latest BCA document governing local agency communications ( https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bc...s/MNJIS-5002-CJDN-Network-Security-Policy.pdf ) is pretty clear that radio traffic likely need to be encrypted (section 2.8 on page 10 of document) - if one says a subject has prior offenses or has warrants, they just communicated CJI, so it would be subject to current security standards, and no agency wants to fail a CJIS audit because of something accidentally transmitted in a clear channel.

You're likely going to have to go to the BCA and FBI and not the local agency if you want to complain about encryption.

If this is the actual reason for the encroachment of encryption you'd think they'd mention it as justification rather than their "officer safety" nonsense.

 

[tadsmith]

95+% of the agencies use DES-OFB which is 64 bit and doesn't meet the CJIS requirements of 128-bits anyway.

 

[DVINTHEHOUSEMAN]

DES was broken in 1999. No reason to still be using it for anything sensitive or mission critical.

Someone could find and leak keys with relative ease using consumer grade hardware. If they're going to play the encryption game, they shouldn't be way out in left field screwing around.

 

[egftechman]

DES was broken in 1999. No reason to still be using it for anything sensitive or mission critical.

Someone could find and leak keys with relative ease using consumer grade hardware. If they're going to play the encryption game, they shouldn't be way out in left field screwing around.

CJIS standard no longer allows DES....It specifies FIPS 140-3 compliant encryption

 

[mmtstc]

Hennepin Co Sheriff looks like they are getting ready to cut over more of their corrections division but interestingly are not following their typical habit of using an adjacent odd numbered talkgroup.
So far I have logged 10260 being repeated on encrypted 11259 for PSF/ADC Tac 2 and the PSF Jail Main 10250 being repeated on encrypted 10474.
This may not be overlynew, i just haven't watched 2-001 in awhile.

 

[stmills]

Hennepin Co Sheriff looks like they are getting ready to cut over more of their corrections division but interestingly are not following their typical habit of using an adjacent odd numbered talkgroup.
So far I have logged 10260 being repeated on encrypted 11259 for PSF/ADC Tac 2 and the PSF Jail Main 10250 being repeated on encrypted 10474.
This may not be overlynew, i just haven't watched 2-001 in awhile.

I have only been seeing this move starting the past couple of weeks. A week ago I did some looking and it didn’t app to be patched at that time. I also have been watching 11255 as another talkgroup.

 

[radiogod_2103]

For what its worth ramsey co sheriff bob flecter has said on live on patrol he is not a fan of enc on dispatch channels .

 

[nessnet]

Tonight...
Not sure if it's just some op, or a hint of what is to come in OT.

 

[egftechman]

For what its worth ramsey co sheriff bob flecter has said on live on patrol he is not a fan of enc on dispatch channels .

Unfortunately the FBI and MNBCA CJIS rules are pushing otherwise.
In fact they regularly violate the rules during LoP, quite often hear CJIS data (anything from state or federal crime information databases, like criminal histories, warrant checks, license plate/DL data) on the broadcast. I hope no one ever cries foul and stops it, love watching LoP and also hearing some of the encrypted talkgroups in the background to supplement other sources.

 

[nessnet]

Last night I logged a considerable amount of encrypted traffic (much more than posted above) on OT Law. All evening, so pages of log files showing encryption.

The other one I spotted in the logs is also of interest - FF PD dispatch.
The beginning of the end up in OtterTail County / Fergus Falls?

 

[egftechman]

Last night I logged a considerable amount of encrypted traffic (much more than posted above) on OT Law. All evening.

The other one I spotted in the logs is also of interest - FF PD dispatch.
The beginning of the end?

View attachment 173805

Grand Forks, ND (on ND SIRN system) now encrypted in the last few days (saw no encryption before I left town for thanksgiving)

 

[Robdobb]

Tonight...
Not sure if it's just some op, or a hint of what is to come in OT.
View attachment 173778

I monitor OT with SDR yet I hear everything you think theyd encrypt loud and clear, i have the feed for wadena county and surrounding areas

 

[nessnet]

I monitor OT with SDR yet I hear everything you think theyd encrypt loud and clear, i have the feed for wadena county and surrounding areas

I've been logging FF/OT traffic since 12/2.
It's not full time, but I've seen encryption in the logs on multiple days since.
Both on OT Law and FF dispatch - and just on certain sites.

It very well may certain incidents that they want to not be monitored, but they seem to be using it more and more since 12/2.

 

[blake06]

Looks like Sherburne County made the switch yesterday morning. Sad.

 

[KD0FEO]

Looks like Sherburne County made the switch yesterday morning. Sad.

Watching my life long hobby dwindle away. It looks like 25142 & 25146 are new E talk groups, perhaps Sherburne channels? Getting quite a few hits on them this morning, they are around the same range as the old Sherburne TG's

 

[ryolsen8]

Watching my life long hobby dwindle away. It looks like 25142 & 25146 are new E talk groups, perhaps Sherburne channels? Getting quite a few hits on them this morning, they are around the same range as the old Sherburne TG's

Does Fire/EMS not interest you?

 

[nessnet]

Does Fire/EMS not interest you?

I know you asked this to someone else...
But, for me - no, not really.
If/when OTC goes full LE encryption, there will be some radios of mine for sale.

 

[ryolsen8]

I know you asked this to someone else...
But, for me - no, not really.
If/when OTC goes full LE encryption, there will be some radios of mine for sale.

I am waiting for the day Ramsey County LE goes Enc. It's unfortunate for sure.

 

[bearcatrp]

I know you asked this to someone else...
But, for me - no, not really.
If/when OTC goes full LE encryption, there will be some radios of mine for sale.

If your by military jets, that would be cool to listen to that. I’m in a dead zone so have to drive at least an hour if I want to listen to military.