Utah switching to P25 phase II in 3 to 4 months.

[bhall7]

@bbrady86 , to monitor the current 800Mhz analog Motorola system, use Unitrunker (https://www.unitrunker.com/).

 

[fireparamed1]

I had my car and handheld radios updated today. (They are adding 3 zones of the new system into each radio for coverage testing, they are not being monitored or used for any calls). From what the tech's told me, each department will have the final say on how much or what they decide to encrypt or not. I will tell you, I am betting that based on the tech's thoughts, the majority if not all of the police channels will be encrypted. They are uploading the encryption key into every radio on the system so they can flip the switch whenever they want for any TG at the users request. They even said that some of the fire departments are asking about encryption on the Medical Response channels to help with percieved HIPPA compliance. I really fear that the end of scanning public safety is coming.

 

[bhall7]

Uh oh...that's not good. Thanks for the update, though.

 

[PMJ2kx]

Final Cutover schedule has been updated - check here for your county:
UCA P25 Final Cutover Schedule

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

I am surprised that anybody that is working on this new Harris system upgrade does not chime in about the balance or un balanced approach with the talkgroups being in the clear or not. I am pretty sure they have that all worked out and done and signed off by now on what is clear and what will not be clear statewide.

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

Since we already started to see "TE" Phase II TDMA testing then we know it's coming in some sort of way and fashion. Get ready

Don't be surprised if its more than what people thought it would be. Sign of the times.

 

[Spadinator]

Great now I get to learn a new programming system for my 100

 

[DanLP456]

I've been hearing law enforcement units entering the Wasatch National Forest on the Mirror Lake Highway (Hwy 150) tell dispatch they are "switching to Bald Mountain." Gives me hope there will still be VHF links.

 

[kc7rhw]

I have a question should the new 700 meg L3 harris be transmitting a control ch just like the old 800 dose i know my scanner does work. on these new systems because i can pick up none enc talk groups was listing to p25 xtdma groups when i was in the Fort worth TX just fine last Feb also that is why i will not buy a new scanner until we know what is going to be enc or not enc

 

[MrBungle]

I've been hearing law enforcement units entering the Wasatch National Forest on the Mirror Lake Highway (Hwy 150) tell dispatch they are "switching to Bald Mountain." Gives me hope there will still be VHF links.

I'm in Box Elder and I'm pretty sure they are also sticking with VHF, this is a huge county cornering from Nevada to Idaho. I use VHF to monitor all the time. I think I read a document saying they had securing funding to keep VHF alive. I'm trying to find that doc, it was on the UCA website.

 

[enosjones]

I'm sure in areas where coverage is scarce it would require vhf coverage. I'm not sure how they will handle alot of the areas. garfield county has a site on vhf called copper that they switch too cuz 800mhz coverage isn't covered there, Scofield has boarding house and its vhf. County does have a digital vhf on boarding house. but state has analog vhf there.. I'm sure there are other areas where vhf will be the only way unless they plan on putting a 700mhz site on every little crook and cranny of the state...

 

[kc7rhw]

i due believe that everyone is switching to the new system there are grants for department to get radios that can not afford to buy and there are sites in box elder with 700 turned on all ready

 

[KF7ZXT]

I'm logging into this discussion late. I've been scanning trunked systems (mostly out of state) for a long time, but not so much in the last five years. I bought an SDS100 a year ago, right before learning of Utah's transition to encryption. I've hardly used it since due to the demands of my business and not wanting to invest too much time into a potentially obsolete system. Now business is going well, so I have some time to invest in learning how to use the SDS100. It remains to be seen if it will ever be more than an expensive paperweight.

Nowadays, my use case is less in-home urban monitoring (I live in Millcreek) than on-the-go situational awareness and peeping in rural environments. The BCD996 in my truck no longer works. If I can still use the SDS to tune into information about road closures, wildfires, SAR activities (I'm a former SAR leader), and other curiosities, then I guess it's worth keeping.

But it would be nice if the SDS100 could still be my apocalypse awareness system, living as I do in an urban area. Like the rest of you, I'd like to be able to flip on the power switch and sort out what is going on in crisis.

 

[gldavis]

I've been using Unitrunker V1.0.33.6 and an SDS200 to track the Control Channels in the Bountiful area. I'm seeing many freqs have 3 different LCNs. Same site, same freq, different LCNs. Example: 01E-Central, Site 010-Bountiful; Freq 769.21875 - LCN 00-0034=control, LCN 08-0068=Slot 1, and LCN 08-0069=Slot 2. Some freqs have only 2 LCNs and very few have only 1 LCN. (I'm not seeing much traffic on Slot 2)
There has been a lot of voice testing in the Davis Co area the past couple weeks. (might be about time for another training session on using these Uniden SDS receivers)

 

[gmclam]

I'm logging into this discussion late. I've been scanning trunked systems (mostly out of state) for a long time, but not so much in the last five years. I bought an SDS100 a year ago, right before learning of Utah's transition to encryption. I've hardly used it since due to the demands of my business and not wanting to invest too much time into a potentially obsolete system. Now business is going well, so I have some time to invest in learning how to use the SDS100. It remains to be seen if it will ever be more than an expensive paperweight.

Nowadays, my use case is less in-home urban monitoring (I live in Millcreek) than on-the-go situational awareness and peeping in rural environments. The BCD996 in my truck no longer works. If I can still use the SDS to tune into information about road closures, wildfires, SAR activities (I'm a former SAR leader), and other curiosities, then I guess it's worth keeping.

But it would be nice if the SDS100 could still be my apocalypse awareness system, living as I do in an urban area. Like the rest of you, I'd like to be able to flip on the power switch and sort out what is going on in crisis.

I think your query is off-topic for this thread. You should have your post moved to a new/different thread. What I will say is that you need a very good analog scanner and a very good digital scanner just to have a chance at hearing what's out there. Who knows the exactness when/if the SHTF. Agencies will need to communicate with each other, and that's no small task. Because so many systems are now Simulcast, you need the SDS.

 

[enosjones]

I've been using Unitrunker V1.0.33.6 and an SDS200 to track the Control Channels in the Bountiful area. I'm seeing many freqs have 3 different LCNs. Same site, same freq, different LCNs. Example: 01E-Central, Site 010-Bountiful; Freq 769.21875 - LCN 00-0034=control, LCN 08-0068=Slot 1, and LCN 08-0069=Slot 2. Some freqs have only 2 LCNs and very few have only 1 LCN. (I'm not seeing much traffic on Slot 2)
There has been a lot of voice testing in the Davis Co area the past couple weeks. (might be about time for another training session on using these Uniden SDS receivers)

the 08- traffic seems to be fdma the 00- traffic is tdma. I'm not sure if fdma is phase 1 and tdma is phase 2. but on both unitrunker and on dsdplus I see this especially on the frequency list where it adds the extra 08-xxxxx with the frequency-1.

 

[tvengr]

I'm not sure if fdma is phase 1 and tdma is phase 2.

FDMA is Phase 1 and TDMA is Phase 2.

 

[gldavis]

It looks like my use of "Slot 1" and "Slot 2" are incorrect. Would it be better to say "Time Slot 1" and Time Slot 2", for the 08-xxx LCNs, and "Freq Slot" for the 00-xxx LCNs?

 

[Police201]

I'll be interested to see what happens with it too. I tried to get an RTL-SDR up and running through SDR Trunk on my Mac earlier this year to see if I could listen to the current Motorola system without any luck. Took many hours of trial and error to realize it's not compatible and ended up giving up on the hobby for a few months and went back to my old Boafeng's that I programmed years ago just to listen to local PD on the analog frequencies every now and then. Fast forward to now: I finally gave in and ordered an SDS100, which should be coming in the next couple of days. I sure hope that I didn't end up investing in the Uniden just for it to become a paperweight in a few months when they switch to P25 phase 2 and if they end up going with encryption. I guess only time will tell, unfortunately. Down here in Cedar, it wasn't until a year or two ago that ICSO and UHP were still using analog, so I used to get a ton of action with the Baofeng's. Now, I'm just able to hear CCPD and city dispatch on analog, so I'm curious if they'll switch over to the new system when it goes live too. I guess all of us here in Utah are just going to have to play the waiting game and hope our equipment will continue to work!

I don't know if anyone has replied to this, but SDRtrunk doesn't decode motorola type 2 systems, I use Unitrunker v2 and it works great.

 

[gldavis]

Just reading report that change-over will start on Aug 1, starting with Kane County. Progress of the change-over will be posted on the UCA web site.