Utah switching to P25 phase II in 3 to 4 months.
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I had a pdf that showed that kane county would be first. I'm just wondering if u heard it from another source?
Most likely the same source. UCA Meeting minutes. If I remember correctly, it was from the June meeting.
update:
so Kane looks like its been pushed back 3 weeks as well as the rest of the state..
Thanks for the update.
Looks like they updated it, on the website it says now Aug 19 for Kane County
yeah its delayed 3 weeks at least
Thanks all for keeping this updated! Good to be notified that it's been delayed for at least a couple more weeks. I've been tempted to head up around Duck Creek to go fishing and bring my SDS100 and see if Kane had made the switchover. Guess I don't have to test if they've transitioned quite yet. Fortunately, here in Cedar, I'm close to both Garfield and the Kane County lines and I go fishing in both counties quite often, so I can try to be a bit of a test mule and report back my findings for everyone after I head out there. Granted, these areas definitely don't have a ton of radio traffic, but since they're both relatively early on the schedule, it'll be interesting to test it out and see how it works once the rollout starts.
That would be great we do need help down that way. Do u also have a laptop with sdr dongles or rtl2832's and either sdrtrunk or dsdplus? even unitrunker would help at this point. the control channels are decoding at phase 1 digital even though the traffic may be phase 2. We need confirmation on certain sites as well as the frequencies and Neighbors/peers or adjacent sites to add to the database. Most sites are accounted for but we do need info for some especially down south there. If you use dsdplus or something let us know. I can get u a list of the sites we need still..
Those programs Autofill what the control channel provides like frequencies and neighbors and the nac info. Scanners don't quite provide everything we need to confirm the sites down there. We have the Fcc Licenses list but UCA didn't use all the frequencies they end up using on the sites. Also alot of the sites are still in testing mode and may only show 2 frequencies instead of 5 or 6 or more. thats ok, its more info than we have. let us know what u find.
That's a great idea! I hadn't even thought to bring my laptop with the RTL-SDR dongle/antenna. I can definitely give it a whirl when I do make it over to Kane and Garfield Counties and test a designated site's frequencies. I will definitely be able to more easily test Iron's frequencies in various portions of the county once things go live. I have SDR Trunk on my Macbook, so it could be a good experiment to see if I can catch some unknown channels via the waterfall if I'm not catching traffic on the designated frequencies listed. I hope the 1 dongle will be sufficient to cover the range though. Maybe I'll pony up for another dongle if I find some limitations with just the single dongle. I'll see what I can do over the coming weeks!
if you have the adapters for the connection for the sdr dongles and a mobile antenna u will pick up further. than with the little antennas that the dongles come with. just a suggestion
Good point. I do have a Spectrumforce wideband antenna that'll probably be worth trying.
check these, they need verified, we need the NAC and Neighbors. if there are other site we don't have let us know
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Push backs always happen. Maybe a resource issue with boots on the ground or technicial issues as always. Always have to stay within budget with money and head count. Lets just hope everything goes well and is positive. I wish they would just stayed with Moto since they already had a Moto backbone already implemented. But it all comes down to money and bids.
I bet they will end up going way over budget big time and wish they went back to Motorola. This is what happened with Las Vegas PD maybe 10 years ago or less. They went with Harris and it was a mess and had to budget more money and have Moto come in and rebuild the whole system correctly. Dead spots and so on. Tons of radio transmission issues and I heard it was a mess. Hopefully things go good with this whole state of Utah.
I bet they will end up going way over budget big time and wish they went back to Motorola. This is what happened with Las Vegas PD maybe 10 years ago or less. They went with Harris and it was a mess and had to budget more money and have Moto come in and rebuild the whole system correctly. Dead spots and so on. Tons of radio transmission issues and I heard it was a mess. Hopefully things go good with this whole state of Utah.
The radio Techs have already experienced dead spots where the legacy 800 covers but the 700 p25 is a dead zone. the signal from these sites are much weaker than the 800 Motorola legacy system. They may have to add more sites to cover where this new system won't cover. The sites are still in testing mode...
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Sounds like they should of taken the high bidder for Motorola and things would of been better. But who really knows because of the vast area of that state. I guess this is why they had or still are using their VHF repeaters in this vast area for distance to patch into the UCA older Motorola system which of the majority of that system was still in Analog 800 Trunking mode. Now you push 700 mhz in P25 Phase II TDMA trunking mode and this might bring up other areas that would bring dead spots. Well at least they are going back to the drawing board and doing cutover at a later date and at this point who knows how long this will take.
This is where I said I heard from somebody that Harris bid is ending up going to cost more than Motorolas bid. They have already gone over their budget. Sounds like a nightmare and frustration if you are one of those techs working on dialing in the new system. Long days and nights and weekend work for a long time while.
For the truly curious, a more in-depth final cutover schedule has been posted to UCA's website. It doesn't appear that any of the dates have changed - just a breakdown of where (and when) they'll be during cutover for every county.
UCA P25 Final Cutover Schedule v2
UCA P25 Final Cutover Schedule v2
so the new unity trunker 2 will decode xtdm p25 2 or not i am using sdr airspy min r 2 device works great not having any trouble
i was told the airspy will not
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