Utah's 800 system hailed - Trolley Square shooting

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The police response to the shooting in the Trolley Square Mall was so rapid and so thorough that other agencies want to study it for training purposes.

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_048181929.html

Feb 17, 2007 4:22 pm US/Mountain

Other Police Looking To Copy SLPD's Response

SALT LAKE CITY - The Salt Lake Police Department apparently handled the shooting at Trolley Square so well, their performance will be used as a model of efficiency for other police departments around the country.

Utah law enforcement officials credit post-Columbine training and the state's advanced cross-agency communications system for stopping the rampage quickly.

Stu Smith, director of the Utah Crime Lab, said the damage could have been "10 times worse'' without the swift action.

"God help everybody if [the shooter] had another 15 or 20 minutes to have free reign inside that mall,'' Smith said.

Instead, Sulejman Talovic, 18, had about six minutes, during which he killed five people and wounded four with a 12-gauge shotgun. The first 911 call was reported at 6:44 p.m. and Talovic was cornered and killed by four Salt Lake City officers and an off-duty Ogden officer by 6:50 p.m., police said.

Smith said the crime scene was the most "overwhelming'' he'd seen in three decades with the crime lab. He said 96 bullet fragments were recovered from a store where Talovic was killed. Smith's team worked through Monday night, noting where bullets had ripped through walls and ricocheted off floors.

Post-Columbine police training focuses on quick, tactical response, where small teams "go to the gunshots'' instead of plotting the perimeter and waiting until the shooting is over.

"They did a terrific job,'' said Patrick Kiernan, spokesman for the Salt Lake City FBI. "These guys really put their lives on the line.''

Salt Lake City police Lt. Tim Doubt said one of the post-Columbine training simulations included "a shooter in the mall.''

"In these types of situations, time is not on your side _ it's your enemy,'' said Doubt, who helped conduct the mall simulation as a SWAT commander. "They're trained to ask the question: 'Is someone dying right now?' If the answer is yes, they go in.''

As the officers who responded to the initial call searched for the shooter inside, an army of support amassed outside.

In a flash, Trolley Square was surrounded by more than 200 police personnel from throughout the Salt Lake valley, 100 firefighters, a host of medical experts and the state crime lab. Highway Patrol units shut off the mall's perimeter and a state helicopter spotlighted the mall and the surrounding neighborhood.

Utah updated its crucial cross-agency police communication system after the Sept. 11 attacks and honed it during the 2002 Winter Olympics _ during emergencies all traffic is networked to a single frequency.

"It's huge,'' said Salt Lake City police Detective Jeff Bedard. "It's beyond measure how valuable having people on the same radio frequency was.''


Already, police departments across the country plan to use Trolley Square as a case study.

"I'm getting phone calls from all over,'' said police Lt. Rick Findlay, who helped train the force. "People feel there are some lessons to be learned from our response and that's flattering.''
 
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I wonder if Salt Lake City will rethink about joining into UCAN now. I was onlu monitoring the SLC System after the intial few minutes and I am sure there were alot of activities among the UCAN agencies. before switching to SLC only I did here WVC, Midvale, And Sandy PD all responding to this event.
 

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Utah Viper, I keep wondering about Murray City. They are right in the middle, geographically, and there have been numerous events in the last few months that not only involved them, but agencies around them. I know that money is a big factor, but certainly safety has got to take its place eventually.

Mick said:
Reminds of the Academy Awards where actors pat themselves on the back.
You're darned tootin'. You have no idea how it was here even ten years ago. The response in this tragedy could not have been as organized without the current radio system. Although I agree with your contempt concerning the Academy Awards, I think your criticism here is grossly unwarranted.
 
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Viper:

In response to your question about SLC joining UCAN, the answer is NO for the time being. As I have been watching out of my office window at the airport for the last several weeks, a new 60 foot radio tower has been installed at the airport. When all is said and done, it will be the master site of the "new" SLC multiple site simulcast TRS. All of the finishing details are still being ironed out. SLC and the airport will combine their two systems and share resources. With the OmniLink technology that is available, there really is no need for SLC to switch to UCAN at the present time. Plus, SLC and the airport own all of their equipment outright. Why pay UCAN to use their system when they can use their own free of charge?? I know based on past experience with UCAN as a dispatcher, I don't want to be on that system if I can possibly avoid it...I had one too many bad experiences. As more information on the system becomes available, I will share it when it becomes common knowledge. After all, I do still want to keep my job :)
 

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I agree

The Trolley Square incident just further proves to SLC that UCAN and SLC can play nice together and cross communicate in emergencies. Which they did quite well with all of the Trolley Square traffic being handled on the liberty channel. Why in the world would they switch to a radio system that charges them by the radio monthly and gives them the same say in ownership and representation as a department that has 50 radios when they have 2000?
 

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Those tapes are chilling. It was mass chaos that night. All those people are terribly lucky.

I have one question to throw out at all of you who visit this thread. The police and fire departments identify an area of a location by numbers. It came up on one of those tapes. As an example, an officer may ask another officer to meet him at the number two corner of such and such intersection. How do they number the corners? Where do they start? They also call numbers when they are securing a house or building like they want an officer at corner number one, etc. I have also heard the fire departments use a numbering system when they are working a fire. Sometimes they identify a corner as the 2-3 corner, for example.

They number the sides as well as the corners. The fire department does this very often.

Can anyone explain how this works? Where do they start with side/corner one?

Okay, that was more than one question. Sorry.
 
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In Kentucky I was trained that the front of a building is side 1 and then moving to the left or clock wise was 2, 3 and 4. Therefore if you were instructed to go to the 2/3 corner it was the back and left corner of the building when you are facing the main entrance. Make sense? This is taught to all Police Officers in KY, however, a different system us used by most fire departments, therefore I may not be correct in UT. I would guess it would be a similar patter for a street based on a direction, say North being 1 and so forth.
 
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