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UV50-Pro user review

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So, I drive a Subaru Crosstrek and the interior of that car is basically non-radio friendly. I have advocated for remote mount radios with controls in the microphone for a long time now. Unfortunately, despite my cajoling the Japanese big three at all the ham conventions, they have not produced one. Then came Baofeng/BTech...they listened, they made one, and I bought it to test it and find out how it worked.

To begin with this is not a highly technical review. This is a subjective review based on my personal experience. So all you guys that like to use your electronic widgetry to test things and compare microvolts...this probably isn't for you.

I mounted the main unit on a piece of HDPE board and velcroed it under the seat of the car. The power was straight from the battery and grounded to the driver's seat bolt. The antenna was a Comet B10NMO in a permanently installed NMO on the roof. I drove from Los Angeles north through the Owens Valley to Mammoth Lakes CA and attempted to see what kind of radio mischief I could get into along the way.

First contact was on the 210 Freeway where I made contact with a station in Crestline on 146.520. We ended up having a QSO for about 35 minutes with a maximum range of 35 miles. I noticed that the recieve side of this radio has a reviever that doesn't hold lock quite as well as some other radios. There was a fair amount of picket fencing, but when I had a solid signal it was fine. The QSO with the station in Crestline was really very good considering the distance and the poor antenna I was using. The Crestline station said the audio from my radio was good. I also was only running the radio at 25 watts. So, firt test seemed to be a win.

Second QSO was with a station in Mojave through a repeater. Again, this conversation went on for quite some time and he reported that my audio sounded fine. The repeater output was strong and I have no problem receiving him for over 45 miles.

The third QSO was with a station on Lone Pine CA via a repeater in the Alabama Hills of the Eastern Sierras. That station reported my microphone audio was "slightly hot" but otherwise my signal was very good. The repeater was strong and I had no problem holding him for a distance of about 40 miles.

The next QSO was with a station in Bishop CA and again, he reported a strong signal from my radio that was still only at 25 watts. He never remarked on my audio at all so I assume it was good enough that he didn't feel the need to comment. This conversation went on until I headed up the Sherwin grade.

Once in Mammoth Lakes I had a few short QSO's with people in the town on Mammoth Lakes via the repeater on the summit of Mammoth Mountain at an altitude of 13,000 feet. Again all was well and good audio reports.

In the end this radio was choosen more for the fact that it can be mounted into a car with little to no room for a mobile radio and not for the quality of the tranceiver, but as it turned out, this little Baofeng/BTech is actually a fairly decent radio. Is the reciever as good as an Icom 2730A or Yaesu FTM series...no, probably not. But it was adequate and the form factor made it a great fit for my needs.

I should point out that this radio is also programmed via an app that can be put on your phone or a tablet. I choose to use an Android tablet for mine and the programming experience was really pretty darn easy. No cables to worry about and I was able to program about 35 frequencies into the radio in about twenty minuntes. Never having used a radio that can be programmed by app before I was dubious as to it's utility. Now, I think it's brilliant!

In the end, this Chinese radio turned out to be better than I initially thought it would be. The form factor is absolutely what is needed as cars become more compact and have less space going forward. The app programming is absolutely a game changer as far as I'm concerned. If Kenwood, Icom, Yaesu or Alinco would stop producing warmed over radios from the 90's and produce something like this I'm sure it would sell like hotcakes! It's time for the radio world to evolve! While the Baofeng/BTech isn't a perfect radio and can stand some improvements, I applaud the fact that they are willing to take invoative steps while others sit on the sidelines basically doing nothing.

All just my opinon of course, feel free to disagree!
 

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Thanks for that review--some very interesting info and real world examples of the radio's capabilities. I've seen these things on Amazon and Btech's own website for around $329... is that about what you paid for it? My apologies if that's too personal a question...

My Kenwood TM-G707 is getting a bit long in the tooth, and I'm looking for a replacement.

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Thanks for that review--some very interesting info and real world examples of the radio's capabilities. I've seen these things on Amazon and Btech's own website for around $329... is that about what you paid for it? My apologies if that's too personal a question...

My Kenwood TM-G707 is getting a bit long in the tooth, and I'm looking for a replacement.

Many thanks,
Yes, that's what I paid. It was right on the outside edge of what I was willing to pay for it. At the end of the day I think I was a little bit surprised at how capable it was. It's not perfect of course. The microphone cord is too short for a radio designed for remote mounting, the app could use some work to make it more intuative, and the receiver could be a touch tighter, but on the whole it's not bad. I've certainly worked with worse!
 

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If Kenwood, Icom, Yaesu or Alinco would stop producing warmed over radios from the 90's and produce something like this I'm sure it would sell like hotcakes! It's time for the radio world to evolve!

It's frustrating because Kenwood and Icom both make LMR radios with hand held control heads. But then again, that's why some of us use the commercial radios.

Nice review and a nice trip up that side of the Sierra.
 

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Review well-done. Thx

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Altering interior plastic the same problem for some as drilling the hole is for others.

Salvage yards or dealer-new is how fleet drivers have been able to return tractors to correct condition having fitted radios which were too large for space allotted and fascia was cut away.

A Field Service Manual will show how to remove panels necessary for some repairs, and one can figure out both the air gap available for radio depth as well as how to route power thru the firewall.

This method has applied for me in (3) brands of Class 8 trucks as well as with my pickup truck.

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You can buy a longer/extension cable for the remote mic. Why they simply didn't make the cord long enough is beyond me. I have one; but I use it in my apartment.
 

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I saw the longer mic extension...but sixteen feet? If I go that route I might have to buy another plug and shorten it a bit....a lot actually. I only need about two feet more to make it perfect. But, these are all small things. I hope the next interation of this radio has a longer mic cord, a slightly tighter receiver and some minor work on the app. It's for sure a concept worth pursuing!
 
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UPDATE: Okay, I feel kind of stupid, but also kinda not. Turns out the AI Noise Reduction was not turned on. Once I turned it on the receive audio cleaned right up. But, still I felt like the receive audio should have been better even without it. The transmit audio reports are excellent! I'm working on making an extension mic cable to get the microphone into a better position. Also, might add an external speaker if I can find a place to put it.

Modern cars suck for radios!
 

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The next QSO was with a station in Bishop CA and again, he reported a strong signal from my radio that was still only at 25 watts. He never remarked on my audio at all so I assume it was good enough that he didn't feel the need to comment. This conversation went on until I headed up the Sherwin grade.

Once in Mammoth Lakes I had a few short QSO's with people in the town on Mammoth Lakes via the repeater on the summit of Mammoth Mountain at an altitude of 13,000 feet. Again all was well and good audio reports.
Nice review. Interesting radio, but a bit pricey for a Baofeng. I face the same radio dilemma with my Rav 4.

You were probably using the Bishop Amateur Radio Club's (BARC) repeaters (Bishop Amateur Radio Club). They have a series of linked machines that cover most of the Owens Valley and portions of western Nevader. Mazourka Pk. above Independence (146.760 [-] PL 103.5), Silver Pk. above Bishop (146.94 [-] PL 103.5 and Mammoth (146.73 [-] PL 100.0) (Repeater Diagram). The Alabama Hills machine used to be linked when it was at Little Lake but doesn't seem to be linked now. They have an evening net daily at 7:30 pm. that I like to check in with when I'm at Cerro Gordo. Their linking may extend north from Mammoth to Leviathon Pk., but I haven't been up that way recently to check it out.

When I'm headed up that way, I usually monitor the Hauser Pk. repeater (same freq/pl as Mammoth) which gets me from home to about Red Rock Cnyn., then Randsburg until Coso Jct. rest area when I switch over to Mazourka.
 

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Good information to have! We'll be going up there more often, so I have a dedicated zone in the radio called "395" Working out all the repeaters will be extremely useful. I also noticed something on this trip I hadn't seen before. There was a loaded up pickup truck with a dual band antenna and he had a sticker on the rear window that said, "146.520" on it. I called him but no answer. Still, it was interesting to see that.
 

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Good information to have! We'll be going up there more often, so I have a dedicated zone in the radio called "395"
In the AV/Mojave area, Bird Spring Pass (146.085 [+] PL 141.3) has good coverage into Hwy 178. Keller Pk. (146.385 [+] PL 146.2) blasts across the desert and I can sometimes rx/tx from Coso Jct. There's also a couple of UHF systems on Silver Pk. that are worth adding to the mix, plus the NOAA weather radio stations on El Paso Pk. and Silver Pk., (162.425).

Next time you're planning a trip, PM @es93546 (Fred, "exsmokey") to set up a QSO. He lives in Mammoth.
 

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If any of the big three would make a radio with a HHCH I'd buy it. But they don't, so this is what we're left with. I can't abide a janky install so I'm not going to be hacking up my car interior to put one in. I had a Motorola XTL with a HHCH in there, but I needed dual band, so I'm giving this one a try. The jury is still out, but it seems like a step in the right direction. Maybe BTech/VGC will pay attention to comments and make adjustments to future models. I'll say this, the Chinese makers seem more willing to listen and adjust than the big Japanese makers. I had a conversation with both the Icom and Yaesu reps at a local convention and they acted like I asked them for a kidney when I mentioned making a radio with HHCH's. They also said that there's no market for a manpack HF radio. Hmm...not sure what planet these guys hang out on.
 

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Nice review. Interesting radio, but a bit pricey for a Baofeng. I face the same radio dilemma with my Rav 4.

You were probably using the Bishop Amateur Radio Club's (BARC) repeaters (Bishop Amateur Radio Club). They have a series of linked machines that cover most of the Owens Valley and portions of western Nevader. Mazourka Pk. above Independence (146.760 [-] PL 103.5), Silver Pk. above Bishop (146.94 [-] PL 103.5 and Mammoth (146.73 [-] PL 100.0) (Repeater Diagram). The Alabama Hills machine used to be linked when it was at Little Lake but doesn't seem to be linked now. They have an evening net daily at 7:30 pm. that I like to check in with when I'm at Cerro Gordo. Their linking may extend north from Mammoth to Leviathon Pk., but I haven't been up that way recently to check it out.

When I'm headed up that way, I usually monitor the Hauser Pk. repeater (same freq/pl as Mammoth) which gets me from home to about Red Rock Cnyn., then Randsburg until Coso Jct. rest area when I switch over to Mazourka.
The BARC site was very informative! I'll be redoing my programing list with information from that site! Thanks for sending that along!
 

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In the AV/Mojave area, Bird Spring Pass (146.085 [+] PL 141.3) has good coverage into Hwy 178. Keller Pk. (146.385 [+] PL 146.2) blasts across the desert and I can sometimes rx/tx from Coso Jct. There's also a couple of UHF systems on Silver Pk. that are worth adding to the mix, plus the NOAA weather radio stations on El Paso Pk. and Silver Pk., (162.425).

Next time you're planning a trip, PM @es93546 (Fred, "exsmokey") to set up a QSO. He lives in Mammoth.
Also very good information! My best friend just moved up to Bear Valley Springs, so I'll be up that way a lot going forward. We're still trying to work out what repeaters will cover what up there. We are also setting him up with a remote mount tuner for his HF rig. 40 meter NVIS will be a primary go to for us as his new home is exactly 108 miles from me.
 

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I had a conversation with both the Icom and Yaesu reps at a local convention and they acted like I asked them for a kidney when I mentioned making a radio with HHCH's. They also said that there's no market for a manpack HF radio. Hmm...not sure what planet these guys hang out on.

Pretty much what I've seen. The ham radio side of Kenwood and Icom are out of touch with the LMR side. If you look at their LMR offerings, you'll see that they've embraced HHCH and smaller head radios due to the needs of mobile installs. Kenwood even went to a new control head with knobs(!!!) since that is what was required in some applications.

The pet peeve of mine was the radios where the microphone attached to the RF deck, not the control head. Gotta wonder what these guys were thinking.
 

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BTW, there's another review thread about this radio:
 

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The pet peeve of mine was the radios where the microphone attached to the RF deck, not the control head. Gotta wonder what these guys were thinking


Yea, my Yaesu FTM-100 is like that the mic plugs into the body you need an extension cable if you remote the radio. The only good thing is you can use cheap phone cable and plugs to make a extension cable. Radio isn't even in use in my current car.

Yaesu got it right with the older radios like the FT-8800 with the mic plugging into the head where it belongs.
 

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The only good thing is you can use cheap phone cable and plugs to make a extension cable.

I seem to remember Kenwood had some sort of clock signal in the mic line, and using a Cat 5 cable resulted in noise on the TX audio. I think it was the TM-D710 dual band mobile. Good radio, stupid design.
 
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