WACN 101 System

[scannerboy02]

I was watching the CalOES SWIC video and a nationwide "WACN 101" deployable trunking system ID was mentioned around 23:30.

They said the premise of this would be to have all 700MHz deployable trunking systems (COWs/SOWs, etc.) use a WACN ID of 101 that way whenever any outside agency comes into an area/incident being served by a deployable trunking system all they would need to do would be to change the radio over to the 'deployable TRS' system in the radio and they would be able to operate on the system. I'm guessing this 'deployable TRS' system would be pre-programmed into all radios just like the national interoperability channels are supposed to be.

I think this is a great idea and was wondering if anyone knew anything more about it?

It was also mentioned that one of these "WACN 101" systems was possibly going to be use at the Presidential Inauguration.

 

[ecps92]

700 falls under Part 90 FCC, not a Federal System

Federal Agencies are under NTIA

I was watching the CalOES SWIC video and a nationwide "WACN 101" deployable trunking system ID was mentioned around 23:30.

They said the premise of this would be to have all 700MHz deployable trunking systems (COWs/SOWs, etc.) use a WACN ID of 101 that way whenever any outside agency comes into an area/incident being served by a deployable trunking system all they would need to do would be to change the radio over to the 'deployable TRS' system in the radio and they would be able to operate on the system. I'm guessing this 'deployable TRS' system would be pre-programmed into all radios just like the national interoperability channels are supposed to be.

I think this is a great idea and was wondering if anyone knew anything more about it?

It was also mentioned that one of these "WACN 101" systems was possibly going to be use at the Presidential Inauguration.

 

[scannerboy02]

Being that this seemed to be a federal undertaking I though this would be the best spot for it, if not an admin can move it if it should be in another spot.

 

[Remington12G]

Under the recommended approach, TIA and the NRPC Support Office within APCO International will coordinate to select a WACN ID to be used nationwide for all 700 MHz deployable systems that utilize some or all of the identified 700 MHz nationwide deployable channels. The systems that utilize these dedicated channels may also utilize additional, regionally approved 700MHz channels dedicated for deployable use within the applicant's service area in the respective region. The WACNID assigned to the NRPC by TIA will be a national ID used solely for 700MHz deployable systems utilizing FCC-‐designated 700MHz deployable channels. This in turn provides 4,096 System IDs available for assignment for the deployable systems.

https://www.npstc.org/download.jsp?tableId=37&column=217&id=3559&file=NPSTC_NRPC_FCC_700MHz_Deployable_Trunked_Solutions_20151016_FINAL.pdf

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[RaleighGuy]

While this is very interesting and important info, I have to agree with @ecps92 that it is not of a FEDERAL nature and might be better off in GENERAL SCANNING. The fact the 101 WACN ID will be in use at the inauguration only menas states and DC will be using it, not federal agencies.

Thank you for the link @Remington12G

 

[Remington12G]

I have reported my post for admins to move this thread.

What I find interesting is the recommendation for channel names on page 12.

It is recommended that at least one zone (and preferably two zones) of 16 ‘channels ’be allocated in subscriber equipment. Each zone would be designated by an alpha character at the end of the alphabet (“ZZ”, “YY”). This would minimize confusion over local agency assigned zone letters. Each zone would include the following standardized talkgroup names. Tactical talkgroup names were designed to correspond with the channel position in the radio (Tactical talkgroup “ZZ3” is in channel position #3).

 

[norcalscan]

While this is very interesting and important info, I have to agree with @ecps92 that it is not of a FEDERAL nature and might be better off in GENERAL SCANNING.

I agree. Any federal users of the system would likely be on borrowed/cache radios, or remain on their own systems and patched into the WACN 101 solution. The WACN 101 idea is more for interoperability at the state/local government level, attempting to set a standard/guidance/suggestion/betterwordchoice? across all the states for this particular type of solution.

 

[RaleighGuy]

I have reported my post for admins to move this thread.

What I find interesting is the recommendation for channel names on page 12.

It is recommended that at least one zone (and preferably two zones) of 16 ‘channels ’be allocated in subscriber equipment. Each zone would be designated by an alpha character at the end of the alphabet (“ZZ”, “YY”). This would minimize confusion over local agency assigned zone letters. Each zone would include the following standardized talkgroup names. Tactical talkgroup names were designed to correspond with the channel position in the radio (Tactical talkgroup “ZZ3” is in channel position #3).

My question is, this report is 5 years old, how many mobile systems have adopted it?

 

[Remington12G]

My question is, this report is 5 years old, how many mobile systems have adopted it?

I noticed that as well however, this is the only information I could find matching what the gentlemen in the Cal OES video said. If they truley plan on using this for inauguration day in DC then I would say at least 1 mobile system has adopted it.

 

[scannerboy02]

@Remington12G thank you for finding that information. I did a web search but apparently didn't use the right key words.

Looking at the CAPRAD database it appears only 17 agencies have system ID's listed. The database also shows a WACN of BF7CC, not 101 (or 65?), so it's possible (as was said in the video) that things are changing with this.

 

[dlwtrunked]

I was watching the CalOES SWIC video and a nationwide "WACN 101" deployable trunking system ID was mentioned around 23:30.
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It was also mentioned that one of these "WACN 101" systems was possibly going to be use at the Presidential Inauguration.

It is a muddled talk in the video where I think the speakers are inaccurate. WACN are always 5 HEX characters and systems ID are an additional 3 HEX characters. Together, these essentially identify a system. I *suspect* what is actually meant a unique WACN and then may be a system ID of "101". The fact that NAC was not mentioned shows the lack of proper explanation in the talk but it was not meant to be one.

 

[scannerboy02]

It is a muddled talk in the video where I think the speakers are inaccurate. WACN are always 5 HEX characters and systems ID are an additional 3 HEX characters. Together, these essentially identify a system. I *suspect* what is actually meant a unique WACN and then may be a system ID of "101".

I was kind of thinking the same thing. A system ID of 101 would seem to make more sense. This is why I was asking if anyone knew anything more about this.

but it was not meant to be one.

Exactly. This was just a quick side note to what they were actually talking about.

 

[scannerboy02]

This also highlights the importance of following a nationwide P25 subscriber ID standard.

I believe the standard is,
First 1, 2, or for some states, 3 digits being the county number derived from an alphabetical listing of the state's counties.
Next 1 or 2 digits being the agency within the county.
Remaining digits being the unique radio within the agency.

Following this standard would allow for a maximum (not including US territories) of 51 radios within the nation having the same subscriber ID. And the chance of more than one radio with the same subscriber ID showing up at an incident is rather slim.