Wal-Mart Incident Today

[62Truck]

When I used to work at Target some of the sales floor members had a habit if leaving their "walkie" clipped to a shopping cart when they were putting re-stock away or zoning, well needless to say one night some one took the radio and made a interesting night. It was so bad that they took every ones radios thinking it was an employee well that didn't stop it so if you didn't have a ear piece that night you didn't have a radio. I forget the freqs that we used but I do remember checking them in ULS at one point and we didn't have any licenses for them.

Also another interesting story was the "Red Phones" through out store not only accessed the PA system but were also tied into a 8 channel kenwood mobile radio in the server room so if you knew the right code you could use the in house phone system to get on the radio system.

 

[gewecke]

When I used to work at Target some of the sales floor members had a habit if leaving their "walkie" clipped to a shopping cart when they were putting re-stock away or zoning, well needless to say one night some one took the radio and made a interesting night. It was so bad that they took every ones radios thinking it was an employee well that didn't stop it so if you didn't have a ear piece that night you didn't have a radio. I forget the freqs that we used but I do remember checking them in ULS at one point and we didn't have any licenses for them.

Also another interesting story was the "Red Phones" through out store not only accessed the PA system but were also tied into a 8 channel kenwood mobile radio in the server room so if you knew the right code you could use the in house phone system to get on the radio system.

Yeah they have a similar system here at the target in bloomington/ normal.
I think they only use 4 uhf ch. with dpl but haven't listened to them that much. I know they're using moto xtn's tho...

73,
n9zas

 

[62Truck]

Yeah they have a similar system here at the target in bloomington/ normal.
I think they only use 4 uhf ch. with dpl but haven't listened to them that much. I know they're using moto xtn's tho...

73,
n9zas

When I worked at a Target store back on 05-07 we had Kenwood Pro Talks XLS Sales floor and stock room personnel had 2 channels and Loss Prevention had 4. and we were on UHF and they are still on UHF now, and are using those small moto's the CLS's I think.

 

[gewecke]

When I worked at a Target store back on 05-07 we had Kenwood Pro Talks XLS Sales floor and stock room personnel had 2 channels and Loss Prevention had 4. and we were on UHF and they are still on UHF now, and are using those small moto's the CLS's I think.

Those were it, cls's not xtn's. I mixed up my moto's

73,
n9zas

 

[kb2vxa]

Oh hyell, I'd be sitting in the parking lot with a 100W Motorola playing one of several Walmartian songs. I just happen to like this one.

Wal-Martians Landing... (by CMOR) - YouTube

And this one.

walmartians song - YouTube

Now if you REALLY want to make a point THIS one works! Proof beyond a doubt Mr. Rogers can't rap.

Zen-Drivers: Walmartians - YouTube

 

[gewecke]

I can see bentonville ordering a few thousand mototurds after that!:lol:

73,
n9zas

 

[bob-the-scanner-man]

I don't see all the fuss over this. I can understand why the manager reacted the way he did, but some of the folks that have commented here that are acting like talking on the same frequency as Walmart is the same as talking on a public safety frequency or something is just pathetic.

Would I try this? No. But do I care if I get banned from Walmart? NO. I hate the place anyway. That would just be one more reason not to go there.

 

[SCPD]

Ok, here's the deal...While you believe that you have every right to transmit on the 570 MURS channel, Walmart has a claim on that frequency for their store operations. Right or wrong makes no difference!
If you want to use the freqency then feel free...As long as you are not on any Walmart property!!!
It's not an FCC issue, Walmart views this as trespassing and an intrusion on their business.
I have just recently heard the po po get dispatched the the store near my house for this very thing. The outcome...One trespass notice issued. Now if this person shows his face on Walmart property again he faces an arrest.

Is it really worth it to try to be cool and talk to Walmart? I think not!!! I don't think that I could survive the butt kicking from my wife if I was arrested for trespassing at the local Walmart. The nearest store is 1.5 miles away while the next nearest is 6 miles. Dropping her off at the edge of the parking lot ain't gonna work either.

SO...this manager could have just called the cops and had THEM deal with you. Then you would have REALLY thought he was an A-hole. Be happy that he just got in your face because it could have been a lot worse. And the letter that you sent to them? Worthless.

I value my local Walmart and I would never do anything that would cause me to not go there. It's the same deal at the flea market, and hardware store. Add Lowes, Home Depot, Target....you get the idea.

Leave the radios in the car as I do.
(However, I do sometimes wonder what frequency the remote shopping cart pusher is on. I'd love to see one of the cart clowns chasing that thing across the parking lot!!!!)

Ron

Anyone has the right to use MURS frequency even 154.570 ,A Walmart having a "claim" on that frequency is hilarious what makes you think they are better than anyone else?

I will talk on whatever legal frequency I so desire,I do not know where your comments come from but Walmart does not have anymore right than anyone else does to use MURS and charge you for trespassing on a radio on a legal frequency,who do they think they are the FCC?

I could care less if I got banned from a Walmart but saying that they have a claim of that frequency is ridiculous.What gets you so defensive on some of the comments you post anyway? Just asking...

 

[Zagadka]

One thing not yet mentioned here is that your average Walmart gets robbed roughly a dozen times a day. Sometimes it's just a fat chick who "forgets" to take off those pants she tried on earlier in the trip. Sometimes it's a guy who thinks he looks better with 50 lbs of meat strapped to his body and placed gingerly under his clothes. But other times it's a crew of people who come in with the express purpose of ripping off as much stuff as they can. They come in vans and use radios to facilitate their get away. Some use their MURS frequencies to confuse store management and lead folks away from their people. They come in dressed in khaki and blue, walk into the warehouse, grab a 55 in TV and leave through the fire doors. Sometimes they set fire to the packaging to get at what's inside without setting off the alarm "spiders" that are wrapped around the product. Occasionally, they come in in packs and stuff all they can into backpacks that each are wearing but that store personnel are unable to search. They will use tools to bend the bars of the garden center fences to shove stuff out to their accomplises then depart as though nothing has happened. And if that doesn't go well, they will literally run over a 65 year old lady who's been posted at the gate to check receipts to give the illusion of security. Some of them are armed. Sometimes people fight. Sometimes people shoot people in the parking lot.

Against this backdrop, many of you want to flex your radio muscles. The OP is rare, he was trying to do a nice thing - most aren't. If you have nothing better to do than harrass a Walmart manager because he doesn't have exclusive rights to the MURS frequencies I'd like to suggest you make an effort to find what we adults call "a life". Try it - you might like it.

Yes, I am a current Walmartian. I've seen everything I've described except for the shootings - that I read about. I'm also a ham and I'd like to think better of those in the dicipline (gewecke - you should be ashamed for disclosing the page info - fortunately, you're wrong - they changed after the lawsuit mentioned above).

Thaks for the rant - I just got off work. 73

 

[RodStrong]

"Cart Clowns". Never heard that one.

 

[hhrj]

Anyone has the right to use MURS frequency even 154.570 ,A Walmart having a "claim" on that frequency is hilarious what makes you think they are better than anyone else?

Like I said earlier, "It's not an FCC thing". Come over here to the Goose Creek, SC WM and try your luck!
If the police are not in their little sub-station a manager will follow you to your car and get the tag number. Then it's a simple matter to track you down, have the manager ID you and then you get slapped with a trespass order. You show up at WM again, for anything, and see ya in court!!!! This is not a game and it's not just at this WM.

I will talk on whatever legal frequency I so desire,I do not know where your comments come from but Walmart does not have anymore right than anyone else does to use MURS and charge you for trespassing on a radio on a legal frequency,who do they think they are the FCC?

Go ahead, talk all you want but this is one case where the letter of the law is not going to help you. Last week I actually heard the Goose Creek dispatcher send a unit to WM for a person interfering with the radios.
Cop responded, met with the manager, and then reported that a 10-45 (trespass notice issued x1). Based on this I did some research and uncovered similar reports from all across the country. It's TRUE!!! WM has the power to keep you off a legal channel while you are on their property and all they have to claim is that you intended to interfere and or intrude on their business. It's your word against theirs and usually they have a handful of witnesses who heard you on that channel. You can't win!

I could care less if I got banned from a Walmart but saying that they have a claim of that frequency is ridiculous.What gets you so defensive on some of the comments you post anyway? Just asking...

Well good, that's one less parking spot that I have to compete for.
Defensive? If that's what you want to call it....I guess 40 years of radios in boats, airplanes, trucks, FD, ham. All this time reading, understanding, and complying with the FCC regs for the system being used at the time. Plus, I read alot, don't have a job so I have all the time in the world to educate myself on these subjects. I read FCC regs, NPRM's, case studies. So when I read some of the misguided, inane, and utter BS on here I just sit back and watch till I can't stand it anymore.

If you're referring to my stance on the GMRS license issue the NPRM on Part 95 is an interesting read, especially #26 and #27. The fact that this hasn't been implemented yet is probably based on the number of items involving several services covered by Part 95. If they should decide to take just one (say GMRS) and act on it, they could make all GMRS licenses null and void! And they should, it's a silly license anyway and just a way to charge people money. Same thing happened with my Restricted Radio Operator Permit and my Citizens Band license after I paid for them. Also, any license that you have to pass an exam to obtain trumps a piece of paper that shows that you can give a name, an address, and a valid credit card number. It amazes me how many people fall for this and then defend it to the max.

But that's my view.

 

[hhrj]

SNIP.... If you have nothing better to do than harrass a Walmart manager because he doesn't have exclusive rights to the MURS frequencies I'd like to suggest you make an effort to find what we adults call "a life". Try it - you might like it.

EXACTLY, Thank you!!!

 

[kf5qgf]

So a strong request that since the issue has been thoroughly explained to the op, and that the laws and opinions have been also been expressed, and this has now turned into a gripe-battle, that a moderator close this and hopefully all participants here have learned their lesson?

KF5QGF

 

[gewecke]

One thing not yet mentioned here is that your average Walmart gets robbed roughly a dozen times a day. Sometimes it's just a fat chick who "forgets" to take off those pants she tried on earlier in the trip. Sometimes it's a guy who thinks he looks better with 50 lbs of meat strapped to his body and placed gingerly under his clothes. But other times it's a crew of people who come in with the express purpose of ripping off as much stuff as they can. They come in vans and use radios to facilitate their get away. Some use their MURS frequencies to confuse store management and lead folks away from their people. They come in dressed in khaki and blue, walk into the warehouse, grab a 55 in TV and leave through the fire doors. Sometimes they set fire to the packaging to get at what's inside without setting off the alarm "spiders" that are wrapped around the product. Occasionally, they come in in packs and stuff all they can into backpacks that each are wearing but that store personnel are unable to search. They will use tools to bend the bars of the garden center fences to shove stuff out to their accomplises then depart as though nothing has happened. And if that doesn't go well, they will literally run over a 65 year old lady who's been posted at the gate to check receipts to give the illusion of security. Some of them are armed. Sometimes people fight. Sometimes people shoot people in the parking lot.

Against this backdrop, many of you want to flex your radio muscles. The OP is rare, he was trying to do a nice thing - most aren't. If you have nothing better to do than harrass a Walmart manager because he doesn't have exclusive rights to the MURS frequencies I'd like to suggest you make an effort to find what we adults call "a life". Try it - you might like it.

Yes, I am a current Walmartian. I've seen everything I've described except for the shootings - that I read about. I'm also a ham and I'd like to think better of those in the dicipline (gewecke - you should be ashamed for disclosing the page info - fortunately, you're wrong - they changed after the lawsuit mentioned above).

Thaks for the rant - I just got off work. 73

NOPE, I'm not because I no longer work for that loser corporation, and none of it bothers me.

73,
n9zas

 

[SCPD]

Like I said earlier, "It's not an FCC thing". Come over here to the Goose Creek, SC WM and try your luck!
If the police are not in their little sub-station a manager will follow you to your car and get the tag number. Then it's a simple matter to track you down, have the manager ID you and then you get slapped with a trespass order. You show up at WM again, for anything, and see ya in court!!!! This is not a game and it's not just at this WM.


Go ahead, talk all you want but this is one case where the letter of the law is not going to help you. Last week I actually heard the Goose Creek dispatcher send a unit to WM for a person interfering with the radios.
Cop responded, met with the manager, and then reported that a 10-45 (trespass notice issued x1). Based on this I did some research and uncovered similar reports from all across the country. It's TRUE!!! WM has the power to keep you off a legal channel while you are on their property and all they have to claim is that you intended to interfere and or intrude on their business. It's your word against theirs and usually they have a handful of witnesses who heard you on that channel. You can't win!

Well good, that's one less parking spot that I have to compete for.
Defensive? If that's what you want to call it....I guess 40 years of radios in boats, airplanes, trucks, FD, ham. All this time reading, understanding, and complying with the FCC regs for the system being used at the time. Plus, I read alot, don't have a job so I have all the time in the world to educate myself on these subjects. I read FCC regs, NPRM's, case studies. So when I read some of the misguided, inane, and utter BS on here I just sit back and watch till I can't stand it anymore.

If you're referring to my stance on the GMRS license issue the NPRM on Part 95 is an interesting read, especially #26 and #27. The fact that this hasn't been implemented yet is probably based on the number of items involving several services covered by Part 95. If they should decide to take just one (say GMRS) and act on it, they could make all GMRS licenses null and void! And they should, it's a silly license anyway and just a way to charge people money. Same thing happened with my Restricted Radio Operator Permit and my Citizens Band license after I paid for them. Also, any license that you have to pass an exam to obtain trumps a piece of paper that shows that you can give a name, an address, and a valid credit card number. It amazes me how many people fall for this and then defend it to the max.

But that's my view.

I am not going to argue about GMRS and Ham to each their own,I am licensed for both GMRS/Ham but if my wife does not want to be a Ham operator and use GMRS it does not cost a additional fee so whats the big deal?

The comment about passing a exam trumps another license is ridiculous.If GMRS is so bad why do I always see post asking the question"can I use my Ham license on GMRS?" We all know GMRS is a totally different radio service.

If a licensed amateur radio operator who studied and passed a exam has to ask that question it shows they do not know to much....so much for a trump I am through.

 

[ThomasMcKean]

EXACTLY, Thank you!!!

Do ya think I got to be an "Honorable" by not having a life? Guess again! Though it can certainly be debated, especially after reading the many and varied opinions in this thread, whether or not my saying good night to Wal-Mart was an honorable thing to do or not...

 

[ThomasMcKean]

If a licensed amateur radio operator who studied and passed a exam has to ask that question it shows they do not know to much....so much for a trump I am through.

Yes. It seems odd that they would ask? Part of the exam is knowing the frequencies and restrictions. I wonder how they passed if they have to ask such a thing?

 

[N4DES]

Anyone has the right to use MURS frequency even 154.570 ,A Walmart having a "claim" on that frequency is hilarious what makes you think they are better than anyone else?

I will talk on whatever legal frequency I so desire,I do not know where your comments come from but Walmart does not have anymore right than anyone else does to use MURS and charge you for trespassing on a radio on a legal frequency,who do they think they are the FCC?

I could care less if I got banned from a Walmart but saying that they have a claim of that frequency is ridiculous.What gets you so defensive on some of the comments you post anyway? Just asking...

You are correct on your 1st two comments per the FCC:
Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:

§ 95.1309 Channel use policy.
(a) The channels authorized to MURS systems by this part are available on a shared basis only and will not be assigned for the exclusive use of any entity.

As to the third item you brought up, Walmart can ask you to leave if you do anything not to their liking, even if it just operating a radio or talking into a cell phone too loud, as another example. If the transmission act was done across the street or on a public sidewalk they wouldn't have a leg to stand on and the same would of been accomplished.

 

[kb2vxa]

Oh boy, I thought the illegal CB threads are funny but Wally World really takes the cake (and my sensibilities with it). Thanks for the report, you've made Goose Feathers, SC the laughing stock of the nation. "Based on this I did some research and uncovered similar reports from all across the country." With that you've made Wal Mart the laughing stock of retail trade. Thanks for solving the mystery, the Walmartians aren't shoppers, they're MANAGEMENT!

 

[jurrd87]

Why do you people care so much? Are you Walmart management? Are you the FCC? If not then let the man do what he wants to do.

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