Junior1970
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Two of these TGs are not divisible by 32 as UCAN's are: 50040 (closest one being 50048 which is East Law) & 50628 (closest being 50624 which may be a SGFD TG).
Can these possibly be typos?
Can these possibly be typos?
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Hooligan
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It's entirely possible.
50040 might actually be the 50240 TG. I thought I wrote down 50628 right after seeing it on the scanner display, but if I'm in the car when I see a new TG pop up, by the time I grab a pen & some paper & write the TG # down, while trying not to mow-down anyone, I may have gotten a digit or two wrong. The HPD #2 channel is a TG that had been listed as a UCAN System Engineer channel.
sherwinsagurit5
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Junior1970
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No problem! Sometimes I get excited when I find new stuff and in the heat of the moment I may not notate everything correctly myself.
It's great that you are as into the hobby as you are and being that UCAN is really getting rolling now in Washington County any resources to find sites and talkgroups down there is great. Many of us Northerners rely on this info to program our rigs so when we head South we're ready. Hopefully I can make a trip down soon as the weather up here will be garbage soon for at least four months.
Looking forward to more updates as I'm sure others are.
It's great that you are as into the hobby as you are and being that UCAN is really getting rolling now in Washington County any resources to find sites and talkgroups down there is great. Many of us Northerners rely on this info to program our rigs so when we head South we're ready. Hopefully I can make a trip down soon as the weather up here will be garbage soon for at least four months.
Looking forward to more updates as I'm sure others are.
Hooligan
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New (to me, at least) freq found:
St George FD Channel 6 = 155.220MHz analog simplex. Use was brief, tactical between paramedics while en-route to a scene. Didn't get a CTCSS (if any) because my 996XT was in search mode after hearing these guys on SGFD 1 say "Switch to channel 6 for a moment." Usually SGFD uses their channel 5 repeater or "State Fire" channel for tactical & fireground, so I was happy to be around & able to search when I heard them go to channel 6.
With a lot of.. 'older' people in town to partake in the Huntsman Games, maybe I'll hear more activity on channel 6 & be able to confirm/deny CTCSS/DCS soon.
St George FD Channel 6 = 155.220MHz analog simplex. Use was brief, tactical between paramedics while en-route to a scene. Didn't get a CTCSS (if any) because my 996XT was in search mode after hearing these guys on SGFD 1 say "Switch to channel 6 for a moment." Usually SGFD uses their channel 5 repeater or "State Fire" channel for tactical & fireground, so I was happy to be around & able to search when I heard them go to channel 6.
With a lot of.. 'older' people in town to partake in the Huntsman Games, maybe I'll hear more activity on channel 6 & be able to confirm/deny CTCSS/DCS soon.
Hooligan
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A large group has been reenacting an 1800s-era wagon train that led to the establishment of the St George LDS Temple & St George City.
Because a lot of the travel using foot, horse & wagons, etc. is taking place on what are now public roadways, UHP & some local public safety crews are providing an escort.
St. George Wagon Train stirs memories | The Spectrum | thespectrum.com
As of today (which might be the first day they entered Washington County), UCAN TG 50144 off the Utah Hill (aka West Mountain) site is busy with related traffic. Radio IDs 1, 3, 5 & 10 have operators that some like good 'ol boy Utah old-timers. RID 10 answered when RID 1 called "the fire vehicle," 20419 should be UHP & 64282 would be St George PD.
Because a lot of the travel using foot, horse & wagons, etc. is taking place on what are now public roadways, UHP & some local public safety crews are providing an escort.
St. George Wagon Train stirs memories | The Spectrum | thespectrum.com
As of today (which might be the first day they entered Washington County), UCAN TG 50144 off the Utah Hill (aka West Mountain) site is busy with related traffic. Radio IDs 1, 3, 5 & 10 have operators that some like good 'ol boy Utah old-timers. RID 10 answered when RID 1 called "the fire vehicle," 20419 should be UHP & 64282 would be St George PD.
I heard Cedar dispatch advising RID 20419 who is UHP unit 424 that the event would be on UCAN and to switch his 800 MHz handheld to Zone 5, Tach 12. He showed up on TG 50144. I haven't heard of any specific event talk group name referenced in any communications. I looked over at the UCAN800 website and at their talk group use information, http://www.ucan800.org/assets/pdf/UCAN-TALKGROUP-8-1-11.pdf , and couldn't figure out from that what event talkgroup 50144 might be referred too. Perhaps it is temporarily assigned for this event.
Also... I see but I cannot hear anything here in my La Verkin pit another site identifying off the Toquerville (2) and Utah Hill (3) radios as neighbor site 9. The PCC is 852.4375. It shows up in the RR database as a radio in Morgan County on Heard Mountain.
UCAN tech's working in AppleValley area
I have heard the UCAN Tech's driving up the Hwy 59 not too far after coming through Hurricane the past 2 weeks. It sounds like they are working on a new 800 MHz site. They have mentioned exiting on a dirt road off of Hwy 59 that has power lines paralleling the roadway on both sides somewhere near a big sign saying bank owned property. There is also a VHF tower nearby that as of 2/1 last week has a burned out top light but functioning light midway up. They were communicating over TG 4096 and 2 others referred to as Astro 1 that showed up as TG 57600 and Astro 2 that showed up as TG 57632.
I have heard the UCAN Tech's driving up the Hwy 59 not too far after coming through Hurricane the past 2 weeks. It sounds like they are working on a new 800 MHz site. They have mentioned exiting on a dirt road off of Hwy 59 that has power lines paralleling the roadway on both sides somewhere near a big sign saying bank owned property. There is also a VHF tower nearby that as of 2/1 last week has a burned out top light but functioning light midway up. They were communicating over TG 4096 and 2 others referred to as Astro 1 that showed up as TG 57600 and Astro 2 that showed up as TG 57632.
bchris
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Ron,
Nice job! How did you hear them from LaVerkin? From the Toquerville tower? I heard them refer to Rockville and Little Creek. I know Rockville, but had no idea on the other one. I did not even realize it was in Southern Utah.
I am going to St George and Mesquite in a couple days and wanted to be ready, so I did some homework. There are 2 licenses applied for in your area but not yet granted (thus there are no call signs yet). Apparently they are setting them up now anyway.
The Rockville Site is just south of Rockville - Surprise ! It looks like it will have pretty much a straight-line view right into Zion NP. To the west, it will see straight down the highway to the edge of the bluff, then make a shadow right over the top of LaVerkin
The Little Creek Site is between Hurricane and Apple Valley, on the south side of Hwy59, near the Kokopelli golf course (probably the bank-owned property by now). What I really can't understand is how the top of a mesa that hasn't seen running water for a million years could be named Little CREEK ! Isn't there a committee or somebody that has to approve such a name?
-Brent C.
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Rockville and Little Creek
I had just remembered hearing Little Creek mentioned when you posted your reply and was going to add that bit of information. I listened to them most of the day and never heard Rockville mentioned, I do see the license application now. When you go down to Mesquite there is a new site here in Washington County. It is called Big Mountain, Site 4. I briefly picked it up coming back from a Lottery Ticket Run to Beaver Dam (250 Million Wednesday) this weekend. I started receiving the control channel just after clearing the gorge and about up to the Arizona side of Webb Hill, Site 1, near the St George City limit. It does not show up as a peer of Site's 1,2 or 3 in Washington County. Two other sites recently activated do they are 7 and 9 in Iron and Beaver counties. But... I think that site 4 was showing 7 and 9 as peers. I may not have had enough time for everything to have logged before I lost the signal and my logging didn’t save for some reason. Perhaps you could see what you find while passing through.
I had just remembered hearing Little Creek mentioned when you posted your reply and was going to add that bit of information. I listened to them most of the day and never heard Rockville mentioned, I do see the license application now. When you go down to Mesquite there is a new site here in Washington County. It is called Big Mountain, Site 4. I briefly picked it up coming back from a Lottery Ticket Run to Beaver Dam (250 Million Wednesday) this weekend. I started receiving the control channel just after clearing the gorge and about up to the Arizona side of Webb Hill, Site 1, near the St George City limit. It does not show up as a peer of Site's 1,2 or 3 in Washington County. Two other sites recently activated do they are 7 and 9 in Iron and Beaver counties. But... I think that site 4 was showing 7 and 9 as peers. I may not have had enough time for everything to have logged before I lost the signal and my logging didn’t save for some reason. Perhaps you could see what you find while passing through.
N7YUO
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Quote: "The PCC is 852.4375. It shows up in the RR database as a radio in Morgan County on Heard Mountain." You are correct, but it also shows this:
643E 010 (A) Cedar Mountain (Millard) Millard 852.43750c 856.26250 857.26250 857.98750 858.26250a 859.26250
643E 010 (A) Cedar Mountain (Millard) Millard 852.43750c 856.26250 857.26250 857.98750 858.26250a 859.26250
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That was from October I believe. The PCC's have changed since that post.
That was from October I believe. The PCC's have changed since that post.
N7YUO
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Hey! thanks for the hit. Maybe I should look at the date of the post before I reply!
Hooligan
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Just wanting to resurrect this thread with a general update. This Spring, UCAN down here really picked-up a lot of activity, with more & more 800MHz mobile & handheld radios being fielded with the public safety agencies.
I believe most are Motorola XTL & XTS-1500s -- basically the cheapest Moto trunked P-25 radios available but some customers have at least a few better radios. Most of the dispatch stuff is analog, there are a few P-25 talk-groups out there, and in many cases the knuckleheads somehow have believed that the "digital" channel is encrypted. One organization, which IMHO has demonstrated incredibly poor OPSEC/COMSEC, should be going secure this year -- a good thing for them, since they don't seem mature enough to understand the threat that poor OPSEC/COMSEC causes, despite being put 'on-notice' that their comms are non-secure.
UCAN coverage in Washington County seems pretty good now, with sites at Utah Hill, Webb Hill, Toquerville Hill, Grapevine Pass, Santa Clara, Little Creek, Rockville & Flat Top, though I still am amazed that all the public safety vehicles I see around here just have the approx 3" no-gain antennas instead of the longer 3db or 5dB gain types. I'm lucky to be able to receive all the sites from home, except for Flat Top.
It's nice to finally occasionally hear LifeFLight in the clear on the LZ talk groups, as well as State Parks on their car/car talk-group, but some agencies, such as FD/EMS seem to mostly still use their VHF radios. AP&P down here doesn't seem to have UCAN yet, or at least they don't ever use any TGs besides UHP Cedar.
We've had a couple relatively large fires down here & during them, the fire fighters have used their VHF radios, usually on the State Fire freq, and Incident Command has used one of the UCAN Ops or Event channels for liaison and then the VHF radio to talk to the forces actually fighting the fire. The 'old' VHF dispatch channels are still patched with their UCAN counterparts, though I'm not sure how long that will continue since the 800MHz radios do seem to be completely fielded -- even with Dixie State & Colorado City Fire, since they provide fire protection services for Hildale City & other parts of Utah thru mutual aid pacts.
The Colorado City Town Marshall, which also patrols Hildale Utah, continues to not want to have anything to do with external government agencies, and thus as far as I can tell has rejected UCAN completely (though it's true they don't really have a need for it, as they don't play well with others). That LEA continues to receive scrutiny from Arizona & Utah Attorneys General, and effective about a week ago, Mohave County SO (Arizona) has officially started to patrol Colorado City as part of a grant they got, though 9-1-1 calls from Colorado City residents are still answered by the CC Town Marshal PSAP. I don't know about anything official, but for the past month or so I've noticed Washington County SO spending more time patrolling & doing traffic-stops, etc. near & in Hildale Utah.
Updates/corrections to the DB will be passed on to Tim "The Heat" Heaton when I get a chance.
I believe most are Motorola XTL & XTS-1500s -- basically the cheapest Moto trunked P-25 radios available but some customers have at least a few better radios. Most of the dispatch stuff is analog, there are a few P-25 talk-groups out there, and in many cases the knuckleheads somehow have believed that the "digital" channel is encrypted. One organization, which IMHO has demonstrated incredibly poor OPSEC/COMSEC, should be going secure this year -- a good thing for them, since they don't seem mature enough to understand the threat that poor OPSEC/COMSEC causes, despite being put 'on-notice' that their comms are non-secure.
UCAN coverage in Washington County seems pretty good now, with sites at Utah Hill, Webb Hill, Toquerville Hill, Grapevine Pass, Santa Clara, Little Creek, Rockville & Flat Top, though I still am amazed that all the public safety vehicles I see around here just have the approx 3" no-gain antennas instead of the longer 3db or 5dB gain types. I'm lucky to be able to receive all the sites from home, except for Flat Top.
It's nice to finally occasionally hear LifeFLight in the clear on the LZ talk groups, as well as State Parks on their car/car talk-group, but some agencies, such as FD/EMS seem to mostly still use their VHF radios. AP&P down here doesn't seem to have UCAN yet, or at least they don't ever use any TGs besides UHP Cedar.
We've had a couple relatively large fires down here & during them, the fire fighters have used their VHF radios, usually on the State Fire freq, and Incident Command has used one of the UCAN Ops or Event channels for liaison and then the VHF radio to talk to the forces actually fighting the fire. The 'old' VHF dispatch channels are still patched with their UCAN counterparts, though I'm not sure how long that will continue since the 800MHz radios do seem to be completely fielded -- even with Dixie State & Colorado City Fire, since they provide fire protection services for Hildale City & other parts of Utah thru mutual aid pacts.
The Colorado City Town Marshall, which also patrols Hildale Utah, continues to not want to have anything to do with external government agencies, and thus as far as I can tell has rejected UCAN completely (though it's true they don't really have a need for it, as they don't play well with others). That LEA continues to receive scrutiny from Arizona & Utah Attorneys General, and effective about a week ago, Mohave County SO (Arizona) has officially started to patrol Colorado City as part of a grant they got, though 9-1-1 calls from Colorado City residents are still answered by the CC Town Marshal PSAP. I don't know about anything official, but for the past month or so I've noticed Washington County SO spending more time patrolling & doing traffic-stops, etc. near & in Hildale Utah.
Updates/corrections to the DB will be passed on to Tim "The Heat" Heaton when I get a chance.
Hooligan
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I recently explored two land mobile radio sites utilized by various Washington County area radio licensees.
Big Mountain, just off SR-18 in-between Enterprise & Central, in Washington County:
Big Mountain LMR site - a set on Flickr
and Seegmiller Mountain, which is actually located on the Arizona Strip wasteland of Mohave County Arizona, but has a good RF view of the Southern half of Washington County:
Seegmiller Mountain visit - a set on Flickr
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Big Mountain, just off SR-18 in-between Enterprise & Central, in Washington County:
Big Mountain LMR site - a set on Flickr
and Seegmiller Mountain, which is actually located on the Arizona Strip wasteland of Mohave County Arizona, but has a good RF view of the Southern half of Washington County:
Seegmiller Mountain visit - a set on Flickr
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Hooligan
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While I Still think I expressed the correct political philosophy of Colorado City/Hildale, I was wrong about them not having UCAN -- they have (at least) one UCAN radio at their dispatch center. I've heard their dispatcher come up on the County Law talk group as well as Central Fire (Hurricane FD) talk groups.
Nice photos Hooligan thanks. It is interesting how they achieved downtilt, just tilt the whole supporting structure.
kd7rto
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Did you happen to catch the unit id?
Ok, total noob here checkin in. Lots to learn, but so far, more fun to listen to than the regular radio in my truck all day as I drive around. Today I heard the fire dept saying something like "switch to off 16" then it was silent. What would that be?
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