- Apr 20, 2005
Its confusing with all the different words people use, why not stick to what works and whats quick to identify and write down?
Right. The correct phonetics make it even easier to understand garbled callsigns in a pileup. I don't answer those who gabble something incomprehensible. Using the official phonetic alphabet makes for better communication between people who don't speak the same language well and with an accent.point is phonetics are used to better understand what the other person is saying
Problem is, there is not an international concensis as to what is the correct Phonetics (as referenced previously).
NATO is a relatively small organization (as compared to international Hams or even US law enforcement). Most of these groups do not interface with each other (or minimally). so they use what they have agreed to internally. I suspect that if you dug deeper, you will find hundreds of Phonetic "flavors" being used world wide..
You will probably never get these (and other groups) to standardize on a single set
You do realize that "people who don't speak the same language well and with an accent" are more than likely not going use what you consider the "official phonetic alphabet".Right. The correct phonetics make it even easier to understand garbled callsigns in a pileup. I don't answer those who gabble something incomprehensible. Using the official phonetic alphabet makes for better communication between people who don't speak the same language well and with an accent.
B......BOSTON, Baltimore, Brazil
C......CANADA, Columbia, Chile
G.....GERMANY, Guatemala, Geneva, Greece
K......KILOWATT, Kentucky, King
L......LONDON, Lima, Luxembourg
R......RADIO, Romania, Russia
S......SANTIAGO, Spain, Sweden
V...... VICTORIA, Venezuela
Z...... ZANZIBAR, Zulu
The problem with using country names is that the operator on the other end might think that's where the person is calling from...On HF I've always used the "DX'ers phonetics" because it's easier for people who do not speak English as a primary language to understand. You'll find these phonetics pretty standard on the HF bands and have been used for decades.
That might be true for new operators, but anyone that has spent any amount of time on the HF bands will recognize the "DX phonetics".The problem with using country names is that the operator on the other end might think that's where the person is calling from...
I won't usually respond to someone using other than the "traditional" phonetics because I don't want to take the time to figure out what he is saying. I've been using the NATO phonetics for so long now, they are second nature.
Laziness may be part of it, but also you use what works. I know from experience when trying to work a pileup on HF that I've had better luck using the DX Phonetics than the NATO ones. It's subjective, but it's worked well for me in the past.I think the problem is people are too lazy to learn the ITU/NATO phonetics recommended by the ARRL and used by the US military and most everyone else.
In 1947 the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), adopted rules and procedures that standardized phonetics. The reason? TO SAVE LIVES. There are documented incidents where aircraft (and lives) have been lost as a result of phone traffic being misunderstood or unreadable as a result of non-standard phonetics and thereby miss-communication between pilots (usually by those whose primary language was not English) and ground control stations.
Thank you...Folks, the requirements of the ITU, ICAO, or NATO do not directly apply to amateur radio in the U.S. Part 97 only "encourages" the use of a phonetic alphabet when identifying a station by phone emission, but it does not specify which phonetic alphabet. See 97.119(a)(2),