rjschilder
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Yes. A legit admin can easily enable the radio If it's returned. Otherwise you have an expensive doorstop.
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Why is the Harris XL200 so popular ?
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BMDaug
I am licensed…
It is possible to uninhibit a Harris radio but you need proper software to do it and doing so will remove the programming for the system that it was inhibited by, thus solving the problem for both the agency and the end user. (The radio may be programmed again, but at this point, it is no longer capable of registering on the system without reprogramming using the system key for that system.)
You should never buy a radio with the assumption that it is programmed to your specifications. You are buying the hardware. Period. Either program it yourself (using expensive software and proper cabling) or have a radio shop authorized to program radios for use on the desired system do it for you.
Inhibiting a radio does more than stop it from registering. It plays dead, not responding to user input and not displaying anything in the screen.
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Oh, for the good old days when you could hack anything! 😢 Brave new world and I don't have a place in it... glad I'm old. 🙄
I paid around $4500 each for our XL200P portables; only things we didn't get were BeON and Phase II. Motorola wanted nearly $7000 for something comparable.
I've always found Motorola to be more expensive (nearly double in most cases) than anybody else. Face it, you're paying for the privilege of having the name and batwings on your radio. If I can get one cheap for personal use, would I? Certainly. But if I could get an XL200P cheap for personal use I'd do that first.
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
This is as good a place as any for me to note that Harris has really changed the game a lot since they bought out Tyco-M/A-Com.
Motorola is thrilled to land contracts in the tens of millions of dollars, but when you look at the Harris business, it wasn't long ago that the Harris government communications systems division got their half of a nearly seven BILLION dollar contract for military radios for the US armed services.
The days of Harris being the underdog and the competitor that has 10 percent of the market share in communications are OVER.
I view this as a good thing. Competition improves the breed. Harris has been playing a smart game, being a larger, very heavily funded company with immense resources, that wants a bigger piece of the radio market in general. And the public safety market in particular.
Motorola needs to reconsider its approach. Their competitor has become much more of a competitor. It's fair to say that they're generally equal in their ability to serve customer needs, or if not, the difference isn't much anymore. Even trivial. They need to get to the point where they can match a competitor's contract offer dollar for dollar or even submit a lower quote or provide more value for the same bottom line price.
Motorola REALLY missed their opportunity to retire the competition when Ericsson dropped out of the Commnet-Ericsson partnership, leaving Commnet holdling the bag alone. At that point the company was preparing to circle the drain but then got rescued by a very surprising move on the part of the State of Florida to hand the Statewide (SLERS) radio contract to Commnet. At the time it was the biggest radio contract in history, in the billion dollar plus range, and that not only saved Commnet's bacon, it made them an attractive proposition and was soon partnered up with M/A-Com.
What Motorola SHOULD have done is bought out Commnet as soon as Ericsson packed its bags and left. And I said so at the time.
Motorola is thrilled to land contracts in the tens of millions of dollars, but when you look at the Harris business, it wasn't long ago that the Harris government communications systems division got their half of a nearly seven BILLION dollar contract for military radios for the US armed services.
The days of Harris being the underdog and the competitor that has 10 percent of the market share in communications are OVER.
I view this as a good thing. Competition improves the breed. Harris has been playing a smart game, being a larger, very heavily funded company with immense resources, that wants a bigger piece of the radio market in general. And the public safety market in particular.
Motorola needs to reconsider its approach. Their competitor has become much more of a competitor. It's fair to say that they're generally equal in their ability to serve customer needs, or if not, the difference isn't much anymore. Even trivial. They need to get to the point where they can match a competitor's contract offer dollar for dollar or even submit a lower quote or provide more value for the same bottom line price.
Motorola REALLY missed their opportunity to retire the competition when Ericsson dropped out of the Commnet-Ericsson partnership, leaving Commnet holdling the bag alone. At that point the company was preparing to circle the drain but then got rescued by a very surprising move on the part of the State of Florida to hand the Statewide (SLERS) radio contract to Commnet. At the time it was the biggest radio contract in history, in the billion dollar plus range, and that not only saved Commnet's bacon, it made them an attractive proposition and was soon partnered up with M/A-Com.
What Motorola SHOULD have done is bought out Commnet as soon as Ericsson packed its bags and left. And I said so at the time.
mmckenna
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Sure, but I'm kind of happy they haven't. After dealing with Motorola, Motorola service contracts and the "Motorola Shop Du Jour" that we were required to use, and worse, Motorola Sales, I'm glad they are shrinking in their market. After 15 years of them making my life miserable, I'm really enjoying seeing the strong competition. My life got easier when we stopped being a "Motorola Only" agency.
So far, they haven't done anything that makes me want to switch back, and honestly, I don't think they ever will regain their standing.
BMDaug
I am licensed…
Moto did just buy Barrett. I’m trying to get a 4050 before they mess it up somehow. I don’t think it’s enough to move the needle, but maybe they want to get back into HF for whatever reason. I really think that Harris has the better platform at this point. BeOn is reportedly REALLY good tech and the new single u repeater base stations are looking amazing! I’m glad to see the market moving towards a density battle. It signals platform maturity; moving from just platform development to a focus on platform efficiency. Exciting times in LMR. And I’m glad Harris hasn’t been influenced (thus far) by the Next… I like my radios to be radios, not android devices with some radio hardware attached. Form factor is important for ergonomics and I’ve used plenty of “glove friendly” and “works when wet” touchscreens and they were all a disappointment to say the least. Then you have the amazing Harris military radios. Dual transmitter handhelds and manpacks providing a bridge between L-band satcoms, HF, and even trunking!!! It’s an amazing time to be working with radios… you just need to win the lottery to fund the Harris aspect of the hobby!
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rjschilder
Member
100% agree. BeOn works great, and it's available for PC, IOS, Android, and all XL radios...very cool. And yea, the Two47 line is cool too. Where else can you get a 1U base station with a 10-100w HPA built in, not to mention it has a virtualization engine built in to virtualize trunking and data software/hardware. Very slick.
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
I know it's wishful thinking but it'd be nice if BeOn could be available as a scanner app. You can install BeOn on your phone right now but it's useless without access and authorization data that you won't be getting as an outsider.
BMDaug
I am licensed…
Ya… wishful thinking is putting is nicely! I know you know even better than I do that L3H doesn’t care about the hobbyist. Im lucky to get support through my dealer, but even that is backburnered relative to customers with multi-million dollar contracts!! I’m sure L3H sees that as a total OPSEC nightmare!
It would be nice, but I’d bet money on it not happening!
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rjschilder
Member
Right
That and you need a full Vida core, beon server licensing in that core, and licenses per client. If you're not government you're not getting beon unfortunately.
BMDaug
I am licensed…
Ya I interpreted his idea as a BeOn RX only app where you could essentially NAS or unregistered scan a particular system… not that it would ever function as a traditional scanner. That said, it’s never ever EVER going to happen. You would essentially be adding a back door “feature”. It’s not a feature in the eyes of a sysadmin, it’s a security hole. Even if it was a “feature”, I can’t think of a sysadmin that would check that box, not to mention that the BeOn subscriber database would be littered with users that aren’t even tangentially related to the municipality and I can’t imagine a sysadmin wanting to fulfill a password reset request for ‘loves2splooge@hotmail.com’ for the eleventh time…
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rjschilder
Member
LOL!!! Spot on dude, spot on
Another thing is there is no way to disable ptt on Beon. It's all or nothing.
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
Just as I figured, of course. I'd never expect either Harris or Motorola to facilitate app-based listening to customer's systems without the customer having a real need for it.
flametamer
Member
is there any difference between a XL200 and a XL200P?
BMDaug
I am licensed…
XL200 could mean XL200P for portable or XL200M for mobile. I think OP is primarily concerned with the portable.
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We finally got our BeOn system working and it is awesome. I only wish the volume on Android devices could be made louder. I have tried every setting imaginable and it just sounds like ear piece volume.
Also, just to clear up the inhibit thing, an inhibited radio will still register to the system. I see them all day long. Even though the screen is blank, the radio is still logged on. Otherwise, I would not be able to turn it back on once the owning agency "finds" the radio.
Also, just to clear up the inhibit thing, an inhibited radio will still register to the system. I see them all day long. Even though the screen is blank, the radio is still logged on. Otherwise, I would not be able to turn it back on once the owning agency "finds" the radio.
rjschilder
Member
Good to hear
we got the best performance from the sonim xp8. Speaker volume was as loud as regular portables. And you're right...ever since a few versions ago of beon, the android volume does seem to be extremely quiet compared to what it used to be.
