Why is the Harris XL200 so popular ?

[rescue161]

We are only using our own devices (Android and Apple) to test.

 

[FireMarshalRob]

Correct. Completely different animal than NAS (although Harris is way better at that than Motorola).

We do this all the time; so they can monitor each other our law types have some fire talkgroups set to TX disable, while our fire types have the law dispatch talkgroups set to TX disable. Very handy.



Not quite correct. What Harris is doing (which they've done for years) is a "Transmit" checkbox in the group or frequency set which when unchecked prohibits the user transmitting on that talkgroup or frequency. The radio is still registered on the system and affiliated to that talkgroup. I've worked with radios from everybody (Harris, Tait, EFJ/Kenwood, Icom, RELMBK and Motorola), and all of the manufacturers except Motorola do it this way, it works fine.



I completely concur with the opinion about TG/AG Disable; nearly useless feature. For some peculiar reason, it treats a personality set this way as a completely different trunked system, thus preventing you from scanning TGs set up for disable in a Priority Scan list; you have to use Multi-System Scan or Intelligent Priority (which the jury is still out on).

 

[BMDaug]

That is not an accurate statement about registration or affiliation.

He’s talking about actual SUs, not a hobbyist using a radio as a scanner. The SU is already registered on the system since they are able to talk on other TGs.

I was actually looking for some clarity on the affiliation side… if a registered SU has TGs set to RX only, the radio still affiliates with those TGs???

-B

 

[rescue161]

If a legit subscriber has registration checked under the trunking screen, then the radio will register with the system, regardless of whether the talkgroup has the transmit checkbox checked or not.

This allows a radio to actually register and bring traffic to the site that the radio is registered and that radio can be restricted to receive only if the transmit box is unchecked. Otherwise, if you just programmed it as NAS (registration set to never), if no other users are on that site, then the radio will not hear traffic.

 

[BMDaug]

If a legit subscriber has registration checked under the trunking screen, then the radio will register with the system, regardless of whether the talkgroup has the transmit checkbox checked or not.

But will it request RX only TGs at a site and subsequently drag them around to various sites?

-B

 

[rescue161]

The radio will behave the same as a subscriber that is allowed to transmit, but transmit will just not function. So yes, whatever talkgroup to which the radio is affiliated will be brought to whatever site that radio registers.

 

[BMDaug]

The radio will behave the same as a subscriber that is allowed to transmit, but transmit will just not function. So yes, whatever talkgroup to which the radio is affiliated will be brought to whatever site that radio registers.

Thanks! That was my missing link of knowledge!!

Have a great day!

-B

 

[wa8pyr]

I was actually looking for some clarity on the affiliation side… if a registered SU has TGs set to RX only, the radio still affiliates with those TGs???

Yes, if it is a legitimate subscriber unit on the system and registers with the system, it will affiliate. Otherwise it wouldn't receive anything unless that talkgroup was actually active on the site the radio is on (just like a scanner).

 

[apco25]

is there any difference between a XL200 and a XL200P?

The radios are the XL series. XL200 P for portable and XL200 M for mobile.

 

[apco25]

I'd like to point out a few things. An XL200 radio mobile or portable is NOT even remotely related to the XG100M or P. Entirely different platforms separated by a decade of engineering.

XG100M is still support.

XG100P is dead, dead like the Monty Python dead parrot sketch. While it was a market leading product it is now ANCIENT, there are no parts, no factory support and they are nearly impossible to fix on your own. Mark was still alive when Harris dumped the entire factory service test benches for scrap over 2 years ago.

 

[wsp44]

Are you talking about two-tone paging over P25? If so, this is a feature Harris is working on; theoretically supposed to be released later this year, but I'm not holding my breath.

Any updates with two-tone paging over p25 working with Harris portables?

 

[northstarfire0693]

It is possible to uninhibit a Harris radio but you need proper software to do it and doing so will remove the programming for the system that it was inhibited by, thus solving the problem for both the agency and the end user. (The radio may be programmed again, but at this point, it is no longer capable of registering on the system without reprogramming using the system key for that system.)

You should never buy a radio with the assumption that it is programmed to your specifications. You are buying the hardware. Period. Either program it yourself (using expensive software and proper cabling) or have a radio shop authorized to program radios for use on the desired system do it for you.

Inhibiting a radio does more than stop it from registering. It plays dead, not responding to user input and not displaying anything in the screen.

-B

I've never had to deal with it, but my understanding is that someone can uninhibit a Motorola using DEPOT software by forcing a new CP into the radio. As far as L3Harris you can just force a new mission plan into them, defeating the inhibit. Again, this is what I have read on some forums, but dont know the truth behind it. If it is true, you would think Motorola and Harris would have come up with a way to combat that.

 

[nikronzo]

good luck undoing an inhibit of an XL using RPM2, this isnt the MA/com days anymore...

 

[northstarfire0693]

good luck undoing an inhibit of an XL using RPM2, this isnt the MA/com days anymore...

I figured it would have something to do with older Harris Radios. With XL being the new kid on the block, I'm positive Harris did something to prevent that on the XG/XL series. Makes you wonder why some sellers on Ebay are getting by on selling stolen radios. If they are inhibited, they are useless.

 

[Forts]

XG series is no problem. Just blow in a new personality. I've bought legitimately decommissioned radios that were inhibited by the agency before taking them out of service. Thankfully had no problem bringing them back to life.

 

[BMDaug]

XG series is no problem. Just blow in a new personality. I've bought legitimately decommissioned radios that were inhibited by the agency before taking them out of service. Thankfully had no problem bringing them back to life.

Exactly! @northstarfire0693 definitely anything before XL is a simple reprogram. Never had an inhibited XL!

-B

 

[rescue161]

I can inhibit an XL tomorrow and try to recover it with RPM2 and will report how it goes.

 

[rescue161]

Just inhibited an XL portable with older firmware (R12D) and it would allow me to read and write to the radio, but it did not uninhibited the radio. It did delete all of the encryption keys, but it still gave no indication in RPM2 that the radio was inhibited.

 

[Forts]

Interesting! Thanks for sharing that.

 

[northstarfire0693]

Just inhibited an XL portable with older firmware (R12D) and it would allow me to read and write to the radio, but it did not uninhibited the radio. It did delete all of the encryption keys, but it still gave no indication in RPM2 that the radio was inhibited.

Thats awesome. Good to run that experiment. Now we know that L3Harris solved that issue with the current production XL series radios. I'm shocked they didn't do that when the XG series came out.