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Yes, Windows 10 is starting downloading to those who chose to get it when it launches. This does *not* change anything thing on your computer, except occupy some space for the installation files. You will know when it changes when it prompts you to actually do the upgrade. They are just trying to spread out the server load pre-launch so more people will have it when it launches.

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Yes, Windows 10 is starting downloading to those who chose to get it when it launches. This does *not* change anything thing on your computer, except occupy some space for the installation files. You will know when it changes when it prompts you to actually do the upgrade. They are just trying to spread out the server load pre-launch so more people will have it when it launches.

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Will one have the option of dual boot?
 

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Will one have the option of dual boot?
I can't speak to that specifically. History says it's worked so far? Things are changing though.

One note for individuals looking for maximum uptime, the new Windows 10 *home edition* updates will be non-negotiable (you are essentially a guinea pig for professional edition users). I believe professional and enterprise editions will be able to manage updates to some degree.
 

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Windows 10 is free as an upgrade on top of Windows 7, 8, or 8.1. You MUST do an upgrade installation on top of the current legit OS (whichever one it is and by "legit" I mean activated and licensed, if it's some kind of hacked or pirated installation you're on your own there) at least the first time you install Windows 10 if you're intending to take advantage of it being "free" - that's the catch. It has to be an upgrade the first time.

Once you've done an upgrade installation, after that you're welcome to clean install it as much as you want on the same exact hardware but again that first installation has to be an upgrade. I hate upgrading operating systems so much I've only done it one time and that was Windows 98SE on top of Windows 98 and it failed miserably so I've never done it again (and I've been installing Windows since before even Windows 1.0 came out).

I did the required upgrade install of Windows 10 build 10240 aka the RTM build about two weeks ago when it was first outed to the Insider Preview program because I understood you have to do the upgrade the first time:

I made a backup image (bit for bit copy) of my current Windows 7 installation, then did the upgrade install of Windows 10 (took roughly 24 mins start to finish), then verified it was functional and showed activated, then I wiped the partition and did a full proper clean install of Windows 10 (took about 14 mins start to finish from a USB stick) - it was not necessary to input a Product Key of any kind. There are two points in the installation process where you'll be asked to put in the Product Key and you're not actually required to do so, you can skip both instances completely (there'll be a link to click to Skip on the first one, the second one has a Skip button). Once it's installed fully and you get online, it'll contact Microsoft, verify the hardware hash which is like a unique fingerprint for that machine it's installed on, and once it verifies the hardware hash against the one created when you did the upgrade installation, it'll be activated at that moment.

Simple process, really, but I know that some folks probably have never installed an OS or upgraded one on their hardware.

As for the updates, Home and Pro users are in the same boat with respect to updates: you can't block or delay them on Home, you can block/delay them on Pro but for no more than 8 months else you'll get locked out of future ones. The only way to have complete control over them being installed is to use the Enterprise edition of Windows 10 but that's a bit insane and overkill for most any consumer (and even most enthusiasts, to be honest). Microsoft has a tool now that allows you more fine control over update downloads and installations but it still doesn't allow you to just say "No, I don't want any updates..." forever on Home or Pro, it just adds some options to Home that don't exist natively without the use of that tool.

I just grabbed the 32/64 ISO (it has both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions on the same ISO disk image) earlier in about 15 mins so I'll have it for future reference. I won't be using Windows 10 as my OS, I can't stand it but I'll need to have the ISO around for customers 'cause I damned well know I'm going to start getting calls in the next few days with people who pooched their machines in whatever manner they do after this whole mess gets rolling today. :)

tl;dr version - If you want to do a dual boot, that technically is a clean install with the two OSes side by side. To do that, you have to do the upgrade installation first, one time, it's not something you can skip - it has to be done as an upgrade the first time. After that, you can clean install for a dual boot setup if you wish. But that very first install of Windows 10 must be an upgrade, it won't work any other way.
 

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MS way of forcing you to do something yet again.

i love how they say its free, but to get it free you MUST upgrade your existing OS forcibly.

guess i need to prepare ISO's myself.
 

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All I can say is windows 10 upgrade has done nothing but fail and confuse me, it did d/l it did try to install but failed on both of my computers. Windows needs to get there act together.
 

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All I can say is windows 10 upgrade has done nothing but fail and confuse me, it did d/l it did try to install but failed on both of my computers. Windows needs to get there act together.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10


I had the same problem and used the download tool now and got it to install.

Make sure you use the correct version 32 bit or 64 bit depending on your system.
 

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I updated my Windows 7 Pro laptop via Windows update. It went flawlessly. I have 3 PC's with 8.1 64 bit that'll get upgraded next. As a longtime user of 8 and 8.1 I see this as a considerable improvement, although I never thought 8 and 8.1 were as bad as some people made them out to be once manipulated to boot to desktop and with a few third party utilities added to bring back the start button.

I tried using the download tool the first time and the install bonked with "Something Happened" which is somewhat humorous as an explanation. I'm relatively sure it's because I tried to install a Home version of Windows 10 atop a Pro version of Windows 7. In any event as stated the above method worked dandy.
 

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I'm dreading the whole Windows 10 mess. This is due to administering VoIP telephony equipment running Linux but using Windows 7, then 8, then 8.1 for a GUI running setup scripts.

The updates, service packs, security issues, makes me want to push for an all Linux interface.

But, being in the land of Microsoft, Windows 10 testing is going on right now......strive for mediocrity. At least it keeps the software engineers employed and busy.
 

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Have upgraded two of my PC's to Windows 10. The PC hooked up to the TV and my main everyday use PC. Both went flawlessly. I think this is the first upgrade that I didn't have any major problems with. In the past, I've always done a clean install because normally something happens and the upgrade miserably fails and a clean install would need to be performed anyway. With 10, it was flawless!

The only major headache so far with 10 are the privacy settings! 13 pages of things to turn off, a web page to visit to opt out of ad tracking companies while browsing. What a nightmare. I also just recently read that 10 still connects to a Microsoft server to try and get/send information even while all these options are turned off! Ars Technica found that it tries to connect to a server named 'ssw.live.com'. Microsoft's explanation, of course, was to say it's to make searches and queries more relevant and to help us. Yeah, sure!

Overall, though, I like 10. I have many video manipulation programs I use and every single one of them works after the upgrade. I use Quicken Starter Edition 2010 and that works with no data loss. I was afraid I would have to upgrade to the 2015 edition.
 

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windows 10

I am not a window user for the reasons mentioned above. My last Mac OS change over took about 25 minutes and I gained hard drive space (effecient operating system). I realize that there are no oprating systems that 100% sasaptiv to viruses however using IOS and OSX for the past 10 years my experiences have been positive. I trully dislike windows , thus I have always had issues updating or programing my scanners. Furthermore I will never run a non native software on Mac . Can not wait for the El Capitan to arrive this fall as it has been seeded already.
 

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I'd love to have a Mac again. I did truly love the OS (original OS X), however, I found not much use for it other than browsing the web and "playing around" with it for learning purposes.

Price is also a limiting factor. Listing what I would do with it from above, a $499 starting price is steep.
 

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When you guys say "a clean install" does that mean you wipe the hard drive clean or it does it
? A few weeks I just went through a nightmare and I'm still putting stuff back in. I have that little windows icon at the bottom saying it's going to upgrade but nothing yet.
 

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If you have a duel boot now with a separate HDD, it will still work fine. The Bios handles that as the MB is booting.
 

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In the control panel I have enabled " advise me of available downloads and allow me to install the downloads that i want to download." Hopefully that keeps Windows 10 at bay.
 

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wont for long. which version are you running?

only Pro and Enterprise allow you to control the updates, if Home versions, sorry.... MS controls your updates.
 
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