Winter Event

[AC0RV]

Please be safe out there. If you do not need to go out.

In fact, This will be a good time to listen and "record" scanners from this event. If you do so, please, please send me a copy of the files to me at fullerdavid63601@gmail.com


Major, Major thanks.

 

[rbritton1201]

Hello ACORV,

I notice that you routinely request recordings of events, and I'm just curious, do you archive all these recordings of past events for a particular reason? Just nosey...I've never recorded anything via my SDS200, and not really sure how to even do it. I've just never seen the need to record anything. I guess I never heard anything in particular that was so monumental that I felt the desire to record it. But, then, I come from a LE background, and I've already heard it all. I guess someday I should delve into that feature, but for now, I'm clueless as to how to do it.

 

[AC0RV]

Generally, I am trying to keep abreast of any changes and new agencies or UIDs and such for Missouri. That appears to be new or happening at the time. These events may tend to bring others into MOSWIN system. That may not generally use the system.

On the SDS 100s and I think the SDS 200s as well. Press the function key and the replay. It then should display a question about Whether to active to the recording feature. I generally ask for about weeks worth of recorded files to be.

Hope this answers your question(s).

 

[rbritton1201]

Hi ACORV,

I'm not sure I understand the significance of the UIDs. I know there are UIDs referenced in RR, and it appears they have generalized assigned ranges for various agencies, but I don't see where the information in RR gets very specific, other than perhaps a correlation to talk groups. It seems to me, and I may be completely wrong, but do the UIDs identify the radios of specific personnel, perhaps by their car numbers, DSN, etc...? If you get some time, please let me know the specifics of what our knowledge of the UIDs provides us with respect to additional information as we're monitoring. I'm just trying to understand, and you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject. Thanks for the help in my understanding.

Randy

Generally, I am trying to keep abreast of any changes and new agencies or UIDs and such for Missouri. That appears to be new or happening at the time. These events may tend to bring others into MOSWIN system. That may not generally use the system.

On the SDS 100s and I think the SDS 200s as well. Press the function key and the replay. It then should display a question about Whether to active to the recording feature. I generally ask for about weeks worth of recorded files to be.

Hope this answers your question(s).

 

[AC0RV]

Well, for one thing it may help in IDing of any new TGIDs. Also it helps at least to know what unit (DSN) is talking at the time on transmission(s)

 

[nd5y]

UIDs are radio specific.
Radios (or vehicles they are mounted in) may or may not be assigned to specific individuals.

 

[AC0RV]

True. That's what I attempt to stay current with UIDs. The ones that are not static. I will attempt at list to assign them to the agency and the when one them goes the "static" state. I will assigned it to the individual.

 

[rbritton1201]

I suspected the DSNs might be identified with the UIDs, and that would be a good thing to know. I don't see anywhere within the Sentinel software where UIDs can be entered. If you had the UIDs, and could enter them somewhere within scanner programming, would that display on an SDS200 for example?

 

[AC0RV]

That's what I am attempting to do.

When you program in a trunked system (say like the MOSWIN). You on the main programming page. You have a section for the Departments (agencies), The Sites (that are used by the system), UIDs, etc.)

 

[rbritton1201]

So, do the UIDs get entered under the following page?




Can't the scanner reveal the UIDs under the "Search Option" on the following page if turned ON?

 

[AC0RV]

Yes to both questions

 

[AC0RV]

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[AC0RV]

Hello ACORV,

I notice that you routinely request recordings of events, and I'm just curious, do you archive all these recordings of past events for a particular reason? Just nosey...I've never recorded anything via my SDS200, and not really sure how to even do it. I've just never seen the need to record anything. I guess I never heard anything in particular that was so monumental that I felt the desire to record it. But, then, I come from a LE background, and I've already heard it all. I guess someday I should delve into that feature, but for now, I'm clueless as to how to do it.

 

[rbritton1201]

So, do you know if if we turn "ON" the search IDs feature, once the scanners hits on UIDs as it's scanning, if it automatically enters them within programming, so they will display on the readout whenever that particular transmitter transmits? I hesitate to turn the search feature "ON" to find out on my own, not knowing whether turning that feature on will mess up my existing programming.

Yes to both questions

 

[AC0RV]

If you turn on this feature. It download the UIDs to your current program file for the scanner. But it will be displayed at the bottom of the screen.

As far as I know it will not mess up your current. But I would suggest that you may wanted backup the file. In case that something goes wrong.

 

[rbritton1201]

Ok, cool...Of course, I can see where if you're trying to compile a list of UIDs for the State, that feature wouldn't probably serve you well for the entire State, and would only be helpful to you in whatever your scanner's coverage area is. But, it is a nice feature to see displayed on the scanner as it stops on transmitted signals. Some of what we construe as the car numbers we hear are the actual DSNs of the officers transmitting, so that is kind of a cool feature to have. There are exceptions, but it seems like MSHP is that way, whereas I believe a city like Washington Missouri is using car numbers, not DSNs. So, in their case, the UIDs would identify the radio transmitter, and not really correlate with the actual officer's DSN that's transmitting. But, of course, the UIDs for your purposes in compiling and comparing UIDs that might be added would still be beneficial to know as systems evolve.

If you turn on this feature. It download the UIDs to your current program file for the scanner. But it will be displayed at the bottom of the screen.

As far as I know it will not mess up your current. But I would suggest that you may wanted backup the file. In case that something goes wrong.

 

[AC0RV]

If someone does record the scanner's calls. Even though it may somewhere across out of reached (not associated with the tower(s) that broadcast the traffic (calls) that I can listen to. It helps to confirm or adds to the list that.

Even though cities uses the car or vehlicles #s, The radios for each vehicle is agreely different than the UIDs. Each vehilce # can be match with the Vehicles radio UID number. ( ie car 423 has radio with the uid # of 45370 or whatever).

The UIDs are helpful to identify the "new" TGID being used by said agencies or County.

 

[scanman1958]

With my 396xt you can even alpha ID the UID. I was going to alpha ID the squad cars in SLPD Dist 2. Started to then realized they mostly used WT's on the street and those seemed to change daily. The officers probably randomly grabbed walkies that were ready to go at the start of their shift. And they wouldn't always be in the same vehicle each shift. So radio call sign 1226 (or sector/beat area 1226) could be a different vehicle each shift so trying to alpha ID them was useless. Oh yeah, I forgot, that was before the Ferguson riots when radios were in the clear.

 

[rbritton1201]

I turned "ON" the Search feature to capture UIDs of all the P25 related favorites lists I have programmed into the Uniden BCD536HP, and I got kind of a weird circumstance on the BCD536HP readout. I have two particular towers programmed into the scanner for a particular agency, I receive traffic from Washington PD within the MOSWIN system, via the Weldon Spring and the St. Clair 700 towers. All of my favorites lists are individual agencies programmed into their own respective favorites lists.

Only one UID was ever captured on the readout on the scanner, UID #21911. I have only the TGID for Washington PD (TGID #4803) programmed into the Washington PD favorites list, and TGID #21911 is not a TGID programmed into the favorites list for Washington PD.
But ,the scanner showed TGID #21911 within the Washington PD favorites list whenever that particular TGID #21911 transmitted. It was picked up through the Weldon Spring Tower, and through the St. Clair 700 tower, just depending on which tower picked up the transmission in the scan sequence.

At the same time, when signals were received that were transmissions from Washington PD via the St. Clair 700 and the Weldon Spring towers, the SEARCH ID feature didn't display their UID #4803. Not only that, but I have the "SEARCH" feature turned on for other P25 systems in my BCD536HP, and no UIDs were ever decoded and displayed when traffic was received on the other P25 systems in my favorites lists, other than that one TGID #21911 on the Washington PD favorites list. The other P25 systems are part of S.L.A.T.E.R. (St Louis Area Trunked Emergency Radio) System, but no TGIDs were ever displayed there either.

I tried to identify TGID #21911, and could never officially ascertain where that TGID originates within documentation that I hoped would be within the MOSWIN information online. I know it was a Missouri State Highway Patrol TGID based on my experience listening to their transmissions, and because they always preface their traffic with their base station's location, Weldon Spring, before conversing with their units. When TGID #21911 called in, the base station identified when taking their traffic. Also, based on the tower site displays, I could see that the transmission were coming from Site ID 7-35 (St. Clair 700 tower) and site ID 5-16 (Weldon Spring Tower). The TGIDs for Washington PD are programmed into the scanner for Washington PD, but no UIDs for Washington PD were ever decoded and displayed on the scanner when Washington PD transmitted. But, normal traffic received will generally show the transmission coming from MSHP or Washington PD. In this case the scanner displayed Missouri Highway Patrol traffic as coming from Washington PD, very strange...

Question #1: Why is a TGID that isn't programmed for reception within the Washington PD favorites list being decoded and received?
Question #2: Why isn't the TGID #4803 that is programmed for reception under the Washington PD favorites list being decoded and displayed?
Question #3: Why are the other P25 systems programmed into their respective favorites lists not displaying TGIDs with the SEARCH IDs feature turned ON?
Question #4: Why is the scanner displaying Missouri Highway Patrol traffic as coming from Washington PD?

 

[scanman1958]

I can answer at least one of your questions and maybe part of another.

TG 21911 are the MODOT motorist assist/emergency response trucks that help stranded drivers and police/fire/EMS units on highway incidents. I believe their dispatching base is at the MODOT transportation center at Hwy 64 and 141. They will be heard on any MOSWIN site/tower that their signal will reach and consequently affiliates with.

You are hearing TG's that are outside the list that you have programmed because you have the scanner in SEARCH mode. In that mode you will hear everything that transmits off the towers/sites you have programmed and are monitoring.

At least that is the way I think you questioned some of your topics.

Hope it helped a little.