WISCOM Thread (all posts regarding WISCOM go here)

chipjumper

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I don't think going statewide 800 is a great idea, especially once you start getting north of Wausau. You're going to need quite a few more sites for reliable coverage than there are with the existing VHF system, since VHF penetrates into the forest better than 800 does, and with the low membership (WSP is really the only full time user of WISCOM on quite a few sites), is it really worth replacing the entire system or is it more effective to add 800 sites where needed and retrofit existing sites with the updated technology. I can understand wanting 800 in cities and stuff like that but in the rest of the state where it's dense forest, hilly terrain, etc. I think keeping the existing VHF system there would be better.

But who knows, it's Wisconsin.

Anyone know what they use in Northern Ontario? I’m pretty sure it’s still VHF. For about eight years I actively used both the MPSCS and Fed VHF system in the N. Michigan area and I never had issues with the 800 but only problems with the Fed system. I used to have to call back in with the MPSCS system to let my supervisor know that I’ve been trying to call them on the VHF. With that said, i’m sure it comes down to what you said - how many sites do you plan on building?
I’m not too smart on Phase 2 — does that mean we probably won’t be able to listen in anymore? Bummer that the Great Lakes states haven’t started their own consortium. The MPSCS is a great system that has never let me down working EMS, Fire, and LE all over Michigan in my younger days.
 

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They're probably going to have to build more sites or find some way to really finesse the antenna placement to maintain coverage levels similar to the current system. There's quite a few main highways that run through some dense forest, not to mention all the county highways and gravel roads that run through there. That's probably what they're putting the VHF conventional frequencies at every site for, but if you're going to have VHF anyways, why make it 800 trunking only?

As for phase II, you'd need to drop some cash on a newer scanner if you don't already have one. You can still listen in to phase II communications, your options are just limited as to what you can get that will receive it. What I hope they don't do is go simulcast, but by the time they actually start building out the new system, the SDS series should've dropped in price enough to where you're not throwing a bag of money at it. Another thing is I hope they don't encrypt more TGs, but we'll have to see how it plays out.
 

chipjumper

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What sort of radios would Stanley Security provide? Seems almost comical that a hammer and screwdriver company is into high-tech comm's. I know that the brand has been swallowing up a lot of building security product manufacturers for a while but...
 

R8000

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They're probably going to have to build more sites or.....

Let's not re-hash the system engineering again. We have already been through this. Links were provided to documentation that explains the justification for 700/800. VHF is no longer a viable option in 2023 in Wisconsin for FB8 trunked systems.
 

DVINTHEHOUSEMAN

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I was in northwest IL this past week and I was able to get WISCOM from where I was staying. I heard TG 111 (WSP SW Dispatch) and 112 (WSP SW Tac) being used as dispatch channels for both Deforest and Tomah posts, but only one channel would be in use at a time with both posts' traffic on it. Is there a reason why they do this or is there some sort of plan to put the two on their own talkgroups like Eau Claire and Spooner did?
 

Div106

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I was in northwest IL this past week and I was able to get WISCOM from where I was staying. I heard TG 111 (WSP SW Dispatch) and 112 (WSP SW Tac) being used as dispatch channels for both Deforest and Tomah posts, but only one channel would be in use at a time with both posts' traffic on it. Is there a reason why they do this or is there some sort of plan to put the two on their own talkgroups like Eau Claire and Spooner did?
TG 112 typically is used for units on/off duty. Primary traffic is on TG 111
 

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They used to be on separate TGs (115 was Tomah Post and 111 was DeForest Post) but have been combined for quite a few years now.
 

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Is WISCOM still adding new VHF sites? I'm receiving site 1.26 in eastern Indiana, but 1.26 isn't listed in the DB.

Here's the info I have:

152.6375 CC
155.565 ACC
155.9475 ACC

NAC: B09
NL: 1.27, 1.28, 1.103, 1.111, 1.136
(none of these list 1.26 as a neighbor)
 

19-685

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WISCOM Site On Wheels (S.O.W.) Question

I realize the S.O.W. site is a portable site that can be set-up at any location in the state in response to disasters, planned events, or for temporary fill-in when one of the fixed sites might be out-of-service.

So is the S.O.W. capable of carrying any/all WISCOM talkgroups for the localized area it is set-up at....

OR

Does it have a defined set of talkgroups it is allowed to operate on (i.e. State TAC's, Regional TAC's, etc.)?


Just curious how the S.O.W. is configured.

Thank you
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west-pac

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Here's another WISCOM site that isn't listed in the DB. (Received in northeast Indiana)

Site: 1.98
Freq: 152.0675 CC
151.340 CC
155.505 VC
151.445 VC

NAC: B0C
NL: 1.16, 1.47, 1.86, 1.101, 1.242

I take it there isn't many people in Wisconsin that hunt sites?
 

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Based on neighbor list, site 1.26 should be in northern part of state.

Running PRO96COM on Milwaukee VHF site 1.16 doesn't show site 1.98 as a neighbor.

Will keep an eye on these the next few days.
 

west-pac

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Based on neighbor list, site 1.26 should be in northern part of state.

Running PRO96COM on Milwaukee VHF site 1.16 doesn't show site 1.98 as a neighbor.

Will keep an eye on these the next few days.

1.98 is already in the DB.
 

west-pac

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Based on neighbor list, site 1.26 should be in northern part of state.

Running PRO96COM on Milwaukee VHF site 1.16 doesn't show site 1.98 as a neighbor.

Will keep an eye on these the next few days.
According to the DB, 98 is a neighbor of 16. Although, if more, or new site came online the neighbor list could change.
 

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radio241

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So is the S.O.W. capable of carrying any/all WISCOM talkgroups for the localized area it is set-up at....
- Yes, although talkgroups could be limited depending on the event and location if needed.
Does it have a defined set of talkgroups it is allowed to operate on (i.e. State TAC's, Regional TAC's, etc.)?
- No, although all of those mentioned would normally be allowed.
 

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I've noticed the SOW is in the PRO96Com neighbor list for the Mellen tower but is showing "stale", however I see it in the packet dump *and* when I delete all the neighbors out of the tower file it just repopulates stale. I can't receive the SOW so it's not broadcasting within range. Does anyone else see it as a neighbor on different sites around the state?
 

west-pac

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I've noticed the SOW is in the PRO96Com neighbor list for the Mellen tower but is showing "stale", however I see it in the packet dump *and* when I delete all the neighbors out of the tower file it just repopulates stale. I can't receive the SOW so it's not broadcasting within range. Does anyone else see it as a neighbor on different sites around the state?

Was there, or is there, is a Special Event in the area, where additional resources are needed? I presume stale means not currently in service? If so, it sounds like Mellen was OTAP for the SOW as a neighbor, but the SOW has either come and gone already; or hasn't been deployed yet. Any big Labor Day celebrations, presidential candidate rallys, or radio sites that are planned to go off-line for repair in the area?
 
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