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mike_s104 said:
Jefferson County site is back online tonight


I just looked...it looks like TG 9005 is on both the Berkeley Co. site and the Jefferson Co. site. I'm interested to see what's going to happen with these two sites and shared services like WVSP.
 

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mike_s104 said:
I just looked...it looks like TG 9005 is on both the Berkeley Co. site and the Jefferson Co. site. I'm interested to see what's going to happen with these two sites and shared services like WVSP.
Are you running UniTrunker on it today? I've had it running all day. So far 272 hits on 9005. 59 on 65536. One on 1529. And one each on a bunch that I don't know if they were legit: 915, 4951, 9021, 9025, 9027, 9039, 9051 and 9055. I have a bunch of radio IDs with no TG associated with them. The only TGs to associate with radio IDs are 9005 and 1529.
 

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freqhopping said:
Are you running UniTrunker on it today? I've had it running all day. So far 272 hits on 9005. 59 on 65536. One on 1529. And one each on a bunch that I don't know if they were legit: 915, 4951, 9021, 9025, 9027, 9039, 9051 and 9055. I have a bunch of radio IDs with no TG associated with them. The only TGs to associate with radio IDs are 9005 and 1529.


I noticed it last night as I was heading to bed and since I was 1/2 asleep I didn't even think about Unitrunker. I'll set it in a little bit.

The 9005 is WVSP and 1529 is Charles Town PD. 65536 is data. I think maybe 9005 is on both towers at the same time?? Looking at my log, the hits on Jefferson and Berkeley for 9005 are seconds apart. The other TGs look legit.

I looked at my log again and see Berkeley Co. "MED A" on the Jefferson site.

How well can you receive that site where you are? I'm able to receive it better than the Berkeley site.
 
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I'm receiving at 5 bars, with UT at 80-90% and that's with my antenna pointed east.
Since my last post I've logged three Berkeley EMS channels 9821, 9825 and 9983. But no more hits on WVSP.

Looking at the radio IDs without TGs, one is likely WVSP and a few could be FD/EMS since they are close to those with an associated TG.
 

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I wonder if the TGs and radio IDs we're seeing on both the Jefferson and Berkeley systems are the same because (guessing here) the two systems are meant to work together and the radios are set to use whichever tower is providing the best signal.
 

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Mike,

That's exactly what I was thinking. Since they just fired the controller up again, I'd bet they probably just copied the configs from Berkeley's system into it, minus the tower ID's etc. Perhaps in the near future when they get closer to the cutover date, we'll see the unique TG's pop up for Jeff Co.

I can't figure out why they just don't combine both counties on one system, and for that matter, just add Morgan Co in when they're ready to cutover as well. Make it a smartzone system or something similar to cover the entire eastern panhandle. Oh well, I'm not the system manager, so I'll be quiet.
 

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Aren't these sites both part of the IRP system? If so, you're just seeing radios affiliate with the same TGs on both sites -- unsurprising if the talkgroups are used locally. As long as at least one radio is affiliated with a talkgroup at a site, that site will pull traffic anywhere in the state (from the backbone) on that talkgroup and rebroadcast it over one of the site's voice channels (if there's one available). [The system has the ability to not rebroadcast certain talkgroups at certain sites, e.g., to not broadcast a local talkgroup far away from the normal home area.] They're probably also adjacent sites with each other (look in Unitrunker [View -> Channels] to see if they are broadcasting each other's control channel numbers in their respective OSWs).

[As for the talkgroup numbers, expect only WVSP on any 090nn talkgroup (were the RIDs 00097nnn?), and also expect some but not all of it to be encrypted. Just about anybody can pop up on the 0r9nn regionwide talkgroups, but you can tell by the RID which agency the radio's assigned to.]
 

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wm8s said:
Aren't these sites both part of the IRP system? If so, you're just seeing radios affiliate with the same TGs on both sites -- unsurprising if the talkgroups are used locally. As long as at least one radio is affiliated with a talkgroup at a site, that site will pull traffic anywhere in the state (from the backbone) on that talkgroup and rebroadcast it over one of the site's voice channels (if there's one available). [The system has the ability to not rebroadcast certain talkgroups at certain sites, e.g., to not broadcast a local talkgroup far away from the normal home area.] They're probably also adjacent sites with each other (look in Unitrunker [View -> Channels] to see if they are broadcasting each other's control channel numbers in their respective OSWs).

[As for the talkgroup numbers, expect only WVSP on any 090nn talkgroup (were the RIDs 00097nnn?), and also expect some but not all of it to be encrypted. Just about anybody can pop up on the 0r9nn regionwide talkgroups, but you can tell by the RID which agency the radio's assigned to.]


you're right...they are on the IRP system. its just the first time I've see TGs on both sites and the first time I've been in close proximity to 2 sites that next to each other.
 

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mike_s104 said:
you're right...they are on the IRP system. its just the first time I've see TGs on both sites and the first time I've been in close proximity to 2 sites that next to each other.

I don't listen any more, but it should be fairly common in a SmartZone system for adjacent sites to have multiple radios affiliated on the same TGs, so that if you could listen to them all at once, you'd hear the same audio coming over them all -- perhaps a tiny bit delayed on some sites to account for a microwave, fiber, etc., path, the audio switching, etc. The zone controller keeps all the site controllers and the audio switch "synched up".

For example, I'd bet the various sites in the Harr/Mari/Mono corridor spend a lot of time mirroring each other (and, curiously, the Malden site for a while; either somebody down here left a radio affiliated with 00307, or the site was programmed for some reason to always rebroadcast it, cuz Malden was echoing TG 00307 for a long time there).
 

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You probably already know these... My old notes say...

00095nnn = WV SP
00097nnn = WV SP
0011nnnn = Berkeley Co area radios
0015nnnn = Jefferson Co area radios
0061nnnn = Kanawha Co area radios (the ones you logged are all medics playing with their radios)

I'd seen RIDs 00130001 and 00413100 on the air before, but didn't know what counties they're assigned to. 13 would be somewhere in the eastern panhandle (Morgan Co, maybe?), and 41 somewhere west of me (Cabell Co, maybe?).

I noticed that you had several TGs decoded in Region-4 (03cnn TGs) in your .RID file. I'd also had a couple hits on 03cnn TGs last year when I had radios, but I didn't have any idea where that region (or Region-3 [02cnn TGs] or Region 8 [07cnn TGs]) were, so if you hear any activity on it, see if you can catch a location. The last one (2262276) might be a bad decode, but you did get 2 hits...

I think TG 01907 is Region-2 (eastern panhandle) EMA.

Again, from my old TG notes...

000nn = IRP
001nn = Harrison Co
002nn = Marion Co
003nn = Monongalia Co
004nn = heard but never got a location
005nn = heard but never got a location
008nn = heard but never got a location
009nn = Region-1
010nn = heard but never got a location
011nn = Berkeley Co
013nn = heard but never got a location
015nn = Jefferson Co
019nn = Region-2
025nn = heard but never got a location
029nn = Region-3
031nn = heard but never got a location
032nn = heard but never got a location
033nn = heard but never got a location
034nn = heard but never got a location
036nn = heard but never got a location
037nn = heard but never got a location
039nn = Region-4
041nn = Cabell Co?
042nn = Boone Co
043nn = Lincoln Co
044nn = heard but never got a location
045nn = Mason Co?
049nn = Region-5
052nn = heard but never got a location
053nn = heard but never got a location
054nn = Mercer Co
055nn = McDowell Co
059nn = Region-6
060nn = heard but never got a location
061nn = Kanawha Co
062nn = City of Charleston
068nn = heard but never got a location
069nn = Region-7
073nn = heard but never got a location
079nn = Region-8
080nn = encrypted
081nn = heard
090nn = WV SP
091nn = WV SP, DNR, FM
092nn = WV SP
093nn = WV DOT/DOH
094nn = WV Protective Services
097nn = WV DHSEM
098nn = WV DHHR
099nn = WV DHHR
100nn = private
35nnn = heard

Counting filling in obvious patterns (e.g., where I've heard 00901 and 01901 and 03901 and 04901, assuming that there's a 02901, etc.), I had 638 talkgroups in my database. Now if I could just get my 996 to take that many in one system... ;^(

RIDs are the same, plus:

00-08-0-nnn = unk. law enforcement
00-09-0-nnn = WV DHHR (STECS, Medbase, hosp., Poison Ctl, ME, Threat Prep...)
00-09-1-nnn = WV DMAPS (DMAPS, DHSEM, FM, Protective Servs...)
00-09-3-nnn = WV DNR
00-09-5-nnn = WV SP
00-09-7-nnn = WV SP
00-09-8-nnn = WV SP radio techs
00-09-9-nnn = WV DOT/DOH

...R
 

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mike_s104 said:
I see I had a few hits on the Jefferson Co. site on TG 1551. RIDs are in the 15nnnn range.

My money'd be on calling that Jefferson Co OES; most of the 0nn51 county TGs have been the county's OES/EMA.
 

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Just curious -

Have any of you tried the new Uniden upgrades, and if so, how has it affected your reception of IRP? I have been extremely busy durning the update season, and haven't heard much on it, as far as IRP is concerned. and I'm curious about its effectiveness here before taking the plunge. ( I have become extremely wary of Uniden's fixes... :)

For me, between my 996 and 396. the 396 is the worse performing scanner for me on IRP, expecially with Charleston PD and Kanawha Sheriff Simulcasts being particuarly gurgly. (the 996 is somewhjst better) Strangely, Capitol security and other state agencies are almost always clear and readable. (All this is off Gafield and Malden Towers)

Any comments, insults. personally used tweaks and settings, to improve listening would be much appreciated!

From under the hills,

My deepest Thanks!!!

(Looking forward to settling down back home for a while and just listening!!!)
 

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I'm on my Windows mobile device, so I'll keep it short for now. Haven't done the upgrades, but the MEOC patches sound like crap on your radio because they sound like crap. They're linking the VHF rptrs over, and the patch leaves much to be desired. Cap PD (and others) on the other hand sound good b/c they're on IRP directly, no patch.
 
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