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Re: question
Radios type accepted under the apropriate rules.
Hamradiostuffing said:
Radios type accepted under the apropriate rules.
YOU CANT USE THOSE RADIOS ON FIRE CHANNELS
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N Jay I knew the Type acceptance was an issue. I was just trying to stimulate the conversation. Thanks!
N Jay I knew the Type acceptance was an issue. I was just trying to stimulate the conversation. Thanks!
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Glad ypu know, because I was seriously considering putting a "Duh!" at the end of that post. (but thought better of it).
Hamradiostuffing said:
Glad ypu know, because I was seriously considering putting a "Duh!" at the end of that post. (but thought better of it).
Hi guys,
Like the director said, "Can the dialog and cut to the chase.".
Note my Amateur callsign and take it from the horse's mouth, ham gear does NOT meet type acceptance for commercial gear and is illegal outside Amateur bands. The exception is "Amateur related" frequencies such as CAP and MARS for which a separate license and callsign is issued by the agency concerned. ALL ELSE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
As for monitoring with these radios, best forget about mobiles and hand helds altogether since not only are existing laws being enforced but new and more restrictive ones are showing up on the books that include ham rigs capable of receiving public service frequencies. The latest cause for concern is the city of Rochester NY, there a ham can get busted just for having a rig in the car, period.
There is far too much information to put here and laws vary greatly so your best bet is discover what they are in your area or where you intend to travel IF you're willing to take the risk at all. Considering the complexity of the issue you really should leave the scanners at home.
Hams are actively challenging and wrestling with these laws to protect not only our hobby but our public service exempt status as well but you other guys don't stand a snowball's chance in hell, protect yourselves by limiting listening to the privacy of your homes.
One last thing, beware of those "on line listening posts". I have found several run by police and considering the above with a healthy dose of paranoia tossed in I suggest you be VERY careful not to end up in some database. Oh, there is one with plenty of cop photos, many are very funny so at least it gives me chuckles instead of shivers. (;->)
73 de Warren
Amateur Radio KB2VXA
Like the director said, "Can the dialog and cut to the chase.".
Note my Amateur callsign and take it from the horse's mouth, ham gear does NOT meet type acceptance for commercial gear and is illegal outside Amateur bands. The exception is "Amateur related" frequencies such as CAP and MARS for which a separate license and callsign is issued by the agency concerned. ALL ELSE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
As for monitoring with these radios, best forget about mobiles and hand helds altogether since not only are existing laws being enforced but new and more restrictive ones are showing up on the books that include ham rigs capable of receiving public service frequencies. The latest cause for concern is the city of Rochester NY, there a ham can get busted just for having a rig in the car, period.
There is far too much information to put here and laws vary greatly so your best bet is discover what they are in your area or where you intend to travel IF you're willing to take the risk at all. Considering the complexity of the issue you really should leave the scanners at home.
Hams are actively challenging and wrestling with these laws to protect not only our hobby but our public service exempt status as well but you other guys don't stand a snowball's chance in hell, protect yourselves by limiting listening to the privacy of your homes.
One last thing, beware of those "on line listening posts". I have found several run by police and considering the above with a healthy dose of paranoia tossed in I suggest you be VERY careful not to end up in some database. Oh, there is one with plenty of cop photos, many are very funny so at least it gives me chuckles instead of shivers. (;->)
73 de Warren
Amateur Radio KB2VXA
Hi again,
Somebody is WAY off base here so let me set this thing straight!
"Using modified gear for other than intended purposes? Observe the reality check of local conditions where you're at."
The "reality check" is right here and it's federal law.
"The county where I live, certain top officials allow regular employees to use such radios in their personal vehicles by permission as they are subject to reporting to work on emergencies in their personal vehicles. Nobody gives it a second thought. It's no big deal. That's the reality of local conditions here. "
WHAT "such radios" are you talking about, you don't differentiate between types acceptance for particular intended use. My educated guess is public service radios may be used for routine comms by employees, this is at the disgression of the agency and it's policies. Use of non type accepted radios is illegal, period.
"So by all means, being an all-around good citizen and right thinking American is fine and dandy. But don't take these FCC regulations so life and death seriously. There are more important issues in life to expend your already overtaxed brain cells on."
You're looking to get ignorant people in trouble by following your misinformation and improper advice. The cure for ignorance is education so I suggest you do your homework and find out just what the rules are, and that means all of you. Better an enlightened shepherd than a sheep following the wrong shepherd.
"Even the FCC acknowledges when it's time to look the other way and bend a rule. All radio rules ARE off in an emergency. Anyone can pick up any radio and pass traffic."
STOP KIDDING YOURSELF! The FCC in no way "looks the other way", the rule is extremely clear. An Amateur Radio operator may transmit on any frequency PROVIDED THAT it involves a situation where life and/or property is in immediate danger AND when no other means of communications is possible. The rule concerning unlicensed individuals ALWAYS applies so unless you fall under the auspices of the involved agency's license YOU MAY NOT TRANSMIT.
Now I'm sure you've seen that episode of COPS or some other where a citizen uses an officer's radio to inform HQ the officer was shot or some other life threatening situation. That has nothing to do with the FCC, the police wouldn't think of ratting him out for saving an officer's life so get real. Could be the FCC would overlook it too considering the circumstances BUT the law is still the law!
The bottom line here is it has to be some super duper heavy duty industrial strength life or death emergency or "all bets are off" keeping you out of the courtroom.
Always remember how you spell "assume". When you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U in front of ME. Now, consider yourself enlightened.
73 de Warren
Amateur Radio KB2VXA
Somebody is WAY off base here so let me set this thing straight!
"Using modified gear for other than intended purposes? Observe the reality check of local conditions where you're at."
The "reality check" is right here and it's federal law.
"The county where I live, certain top officials allow regular employees to use such radios in their personal vehicles by permission as they are subject to reporting to work on emergencies in their personal vehicles. Nobody gives it a second thought. It's no big deal. That's the reality of local conditions here. "
WHAT "such radios" are you talking about, you don't differentiate between types acceptance for particular intended use. My educated guess is public service radios may be used for routine comms by employees, this is at the disgression of the agency and it's policies. Use of non type accepted radios is illegal, period.
"So by all means, being an all-around good citizen and right thinking American is fine and dandy. But don't take these FCC regulations so life and death seriously. There are more important issues in life to expend your already overtaxed brain cells on."
You're looking to get ignorant people in trouble by following your misinformation and improper advice. The cure for ignorance is education so I suggest you do your homework and find out just what the rules are, and that means all of you. Better an enlightened shepherd than a sheep following the wrong shepherd.
"Even the FCC acknowledges when it's time to look the other way and bend a rule. All radio rules ARE off in an emergency. Anyone can pick up any radio and pass traffic."
STOP KIDDING YOURSELF! The FCC in no way "looks the other way", the rule is extremely clear. An Amateur Radio operator may transmit on any frequency PROVIDED THAT it involves a situation where life and/or property is in immediate danger AND when no other means of communications is possible. The rule concerning unlicensed individuals ALWAYS applies so unless you fall under the auspices of the involved agency's license YOU MAY NOT TRANSMIT.
Now I'm sure you've seen that episode of COPS or some other where a citizen uses an officer's radio to inform HQ the officer was shot or some other life threatening situation. That has nothing to do with the FCC, the police wouldn't think of ratting him out for saving an officer's life so get real. Could be the FCC would overlook it too considering the circumstances BUT the law is still the law!
The bottom line here is it has to be some super duper heavy duty industrial strength life or death emergency or "all bets are off" keeping you out of the courtroom.
Always remember how you spell "assume". When you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U in front of ME. Now, consider yourself enlightened.
73 de Warren
Amateur Radio KB2VXA
jhooten
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Re: question
A listing of compliant radios can be found at:
https://ntc.cap.af.mil/
Along with links to the NTIA regs.
For disussion sake, that is.
Hamradiostuffing said:
A listing of compliant radios can be found at:
https://ntc.cap.af.mil/
Along with links to the NTIA regs.
For disussion sake, that is.
Skylab
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I guess you guys have never heard of Jack Gerritson.
He's the infamous Jammer from Los Angeles. He went to prison for jamming police frequencies. Only served two years for it. Then he went and got an Amateur radio license...then about a week after being issued it, the Gov't realized he wasn't eligible...so they revoked it, KG6IRO.
Anyways...for the past two years he's been jamming away...EVERYDAY...seven days a week, from about 4am to 8pm. There are numerous articles about this man on arrl.org.
He's racked up $52,000 in FCC fines, and he still has not been arrested. It's public information where this man lives, too. The reason why he hasn't been put away is because The FCC is not an enforcement bureau!
They make the rules, then it's up to the Justice Department to take action. So after hearing about Jack Gerritson, and hearing his transmissions just while typing this post...I firmly believe that the government doesn't give a damn about HAM radio.
(This doesn't even have to to with this thread...but at least it's relative to the topic at hand. Alot of people out there being paranoid that some black-suited men are going to confiscate their equipment!) :evil: :roll:
-Skylab™
He's the infamous Jammer from Los Angeles. He went to prison for jamming police frequencies. Only served two years for it. Then he went and got an Amateur radio license...then about a week after being issued it, the Gov't realized he wasn't eligible...so they revoked it, KG6IRO.
Anyways...for the past two years he's been jamming away...EVERYDAY...seven days a week, from about 4am to 8pm. There are numerous articles about this man on arrl.org.
He's racked up $52,000 in FCC fines, and he still has not been arrested. It's public information where this man lives, too. The reason why he hasn't been put away is because The FCC is not an enforcement bureau!
They make the rules, then it's up to the Justice Department to take action. So after hearing about Jack Gerritson, and hearing his transmissions just while typing this post...I firmly believe that the government doesn't give a damn about HAM radio.
(This doesn't even have to to with this thread...but at least it's relative to the topic at hand. Alot of people out there being paranoid that some black-suited men are going to confiscate their equipment!) :evil: :roll:
-Skylab™
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Skylab said:
Seems he got busted a second time in 2002.
The FCC's Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, reports that Jack Gerritson, ex-KG6IRO, has been sentenced to three years in federal prison for violating parole provisions barring him from possessing radio transmitting equipment. According to the FCC, Gerritson, who had previously been convicted and sentenced to five years in prison for interfering with the Los Angeles Police Department, was arrested January 29 after allegedly making death threats on a 2-meter repeater.
Gerritson had been paroled after serving one year of his original 5-year sentence. One condition of that parole was that he could not have any radio transmitting equipment. At the time of his arrest in January, the FCC said Gerritson had in his home over 20 radios, 8 of which were capable of operating on frequencies in the Amateur, Marine, Land Mobile and Public Safety bands. The FCC also said those radios included a marine radio hidden in a closet with batteries connected to it, and a length of antenna line running outside his residence.
Maybe the third time is the charm!
Skylab
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Yep, that's him. So take that as an example...
If he has been getting away with constant, illegal, and threatening activity...and he's still a free man, I'd say the rest of us shouldn't be so worried about modified radios. :roll:
Skylab™
^Waiting for Gerritson to be behind bars...for life!^
If he has been getting away with constant, illegal, and threatening activity...and he's still a free man, I'd say the rest of us shouldn't be so worried about modified radios. :roll:
Skylab™
^Waiting for Gerritson to be behind bars...for life!^
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Skylab said:
But what is more fun (and profitable), going through a long court case to send some poor stupid ass to jail, or dropping a $10,000 a day fine on some city?
You want to see enforcement, just change the rules so the fines go to the FCC budget instead of the general fund!!
They will be enclosing a fine notice right in ever GMRS radio blister pack! :twisted:
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