Harris P7300 or Motorola XTS5000

[ff-medic]

The audio quility out of a MPD would blow you away, no doubt. The only PIA feature IMO was the ramp volume, and also channel select. Try changing volume fast while belt worn... isn't easy!

Audio quality = P25 is digital radio transmission


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Digital and analog both have their pros and cons, but the big pro of digital audio.....over analog audio; is that the digital audio is so much more clearer and understandable.


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[ElroyJetson]

Until it becomes a compete mess, that is. Even the latest version AMBE codecs don't quite know what to do when background noise levels approach speech volume levels. This is the precise reason why the newer digital radios have advanced noise cancelling technologies built right into them, with the dual front/rear microphones of the APX portables being a perfect example.

Analog voice quality in a high background noise environment can be fully intelligible while digital voice quality in the same conditions may be garbled beyond all recognition. Hence the need for better noise cancelling. (Which also helps out in analog modes, too.)

Oh, I found my 2008 M/A-Com catalog, It lists the P5300 and P5400 portables but no P7300 portables in this catalog. So it would appear that M/A-Com had not yet released the P7300 while Motorola was actively advertising and selling the APX7000 at the same time. But the two types were available within a year of each other.

 

[fasteddy64]

HAHAHAHAH I am so sorry. O the pain you must go through everyday using a radio that says "Harris". You obviously have never used a Moto if you LOVE Harris.

The pain is so severe that I am in the process of purchasing 80 of the XG-75 portables!

 

[ff-medic]

The pain is so severe that I am in the process of purchasing 80 of the XG-75 portables!

Good choice. Expensive...but a good choice -----> Harris PSPC

Harris XG-75 Multimode Portable Radio | SCI Communications Inc.



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[fasteddy64]

Good choice. Expensive...but a good choice -----> Harris PSPC

Harris XG-75 Multimode Portable Radio | SCI Communications Inc.



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I thought so too. They will be replacing my fleet of P7100 portables that have served us quite well for the last 8 years.

 

[Matakovich1]

motorola all the way

Id take any motorola over a Harris any day of the week and twice on sunday. Harris talks a good game but their product doesnt hold up. Just ask LVMPD 45million on a Harris system and they are replacing it with a motorola one.

 

[ff-medic]

Id take any motorola over a Harris any day of the week and twice on sunday. Harris talks a good game but their product doesnt hold up. Just ask LVMPD 45million on a Harris system and they are replacing it with a motorola one.

If not Harris then = Vertex P25, with AES encryption - all the way. Analog ( in the clear ) and digital ( AES ) frequencies to broadcast on


Vertex Standard | VX-P920


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Secure Communications -- Options available to support both Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) and Data Encryption Standard (DES) as required by APCO Project 25. Multiple encryption keys can be stored in the radio.

Mixed Mode -- Seamlessly switch between analog to P25 digital mode on each channel based on call type received and on programming for transmit.

Vertex Standard | vx-7200




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Second choices = http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Communications/Land_Mobile_Radio/Public_Safety/Mobile_Radios/TK-5710-5810

http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Communica.../Public_Safety/Portable_Radios/TK-5210G-5310G


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[davidzimmerman]

Parma Ohio the city is on a Harris trunking system has had many problems from day one up to now still sucks and the police still complain it does NOT work to bad Cleveland communication's was their only vendor wounder how thing's would of been if the city went to a Motorola System.

 

[ff-medic]

Parma Ohio the city is on a Harris trunking system has had many problems from day one up to now still sucks and the police still complain it does NOT work to bad Cleveland communication's was their only vendor wounder how thing's would of been if the city went to a Motorola System.

HEYyyyyyyyyyy . What is with all this Motorola ( Moneyrolla ) talk.


THERE are other radio manufacturers out there you know. With all due respect - I believe Motorola to be highly overrated.


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Some of the reasons they might be having problems :

1 ) 800 MHz radio system not fit for the terrain it is in

2 ) The people whom installed the backbone system made mistakes in installation. There may be nothing wrong with "Open Sky" , but the installation was faulty.

3 ) Not being pro or con for "Open Sky" , but agencies have been using it for years with no problems....just like LVMPD. If it was life threatening and a disaster for LVMPD, why was the problem not corrected earlier?

4 ) 800 MHz is for 800 Mhz territory...like flat terrain. Not a hilly and mountainous region.

5 ) Communications can be a hype. The new digital system - the new P25 system - the new 700 & 900 Mhz public safety freqs. "Look whats out. We must have it ( P25 - open sky - 700 MHz radio freq ) " does not always apply.


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[kayn1n32008]

Id take any motorola over a Harris any day of the week and twice on sunday. Harris talks a good game but their product doesnt hold up. Just ask LVMPD 45million on a Harris system and they are replacing it with a motorola one.

Nice first post.

Yea, sure. Vegas is Going from OpenSky to P25... A radio system that Harris inherited...not designed.

Why is it that two of the largest P25 systems in Canada, and arguably, for land area covered, in North America are (PPSTN & AFRRCS) Harris?

Comparing OpenSky to P25 is like comparing a Ford Pinto to a Ferrari Enzo...

Edit:

I would also agree, the MPD is one of the best sounding radios I have ever heard.
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[ff-medic]

Comparing OpenSky to P25 is like comparing a Ford Pinto to a Ferrari Enzo...

If you take a vehicle to a mechanic he may fix it the first time. Or he may not get it fixed and you have to take it back.

I live in Appalachia, and other than watching "Open Sky" in action on "Cops" , my knowledge is pretty limited. BUT that being said, there have been documented agencies that are totally happy with "Open Sky".


But P25 has its limitations also, does it not.

There are pros and cons with most land mobile radio systems.


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[DisasterGuy]

I recently had an executive from one of the big players relate to me that the Motorolas and Harris' of the world were likely destined for a future much like IBM. That is to say that where those two players are now is where IBM was in the early 90's. Take a look at where IBM is today. The LMR industry is changing and much like IBM had an edge with proprietary BIOS, OS, etc the world of open standards caused them to fall into a very different place than they were when the PS2 was announced. I feel very comfortable saying that we are in the era of the tail side of PS2 production by both Motorola and Harris. The Cassidians of the world are likely the future.


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[12dbsinad]

HEYyyyyyyyyyy . What is with all this Motorola ( Moneyrolla ) talk.


THERE are other radio manufacturers out there you know. With all due respect - I believe Motorola to be highly overrated.


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You LOVEEE Vertex = Motorola

 

[fasteddy64]

Id take any motorola over a Harris any day of the week and twice on sunday. Harris talks a good game but their product doesnt hold up. Just ask LVMPD 45million on a Harris system and they are replacing it with a motorola one.

I dont know about anyone's system just ours.
800 mhz EDACS system, 12 channels, 5 sites, has worked absolutely flawlessly since day one, going on 8 years now. You might not like M/A-Com or Harris but I have had nothing but outstanding service from them.

 

[kayn1n32008]

I dont know about anyone's system just ours.

800 mhz EDACS system, 12 channels, 5 sites, has worked absolutely flawlessly since day one, going on 8 years now. You might not like M/A-Com or Harris but I have had nothing but outstanding service from them.

Understand that post you replied to was the dudes first post.


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[fasteddy64]

Understand that post you replied to was the dudes first post.


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If you were making some sort of point, I am not getting it.

 

[forums manager]

Folks, lets please stay on the top of radio comparisons and not get in to a system type rant/pissing match/debate. Thanks.

 

[fasteddy64]

Folks, lets please stay on the top of radio comparisons and not get in to a system type rant/pissing match/debate. Thanks.

My apologies to all.